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RedSoxFan3
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posted July 13, 2004 09:06 AM |
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Thank you for all your great input on the Tavern Thread CoC. You have made it clear as to how you want it to be run, which is without restrictions.
I've heard some interesting stuff about the attitude for posting in the thread such as tossing people back and not to take it seriously, because I think it may be a bit unclear to some people. This should go in the Thread CoC as well.
Just so you know, Thread COCs don't mean restrictions and walking on egg shells unless you choose for them to be just that. If you think a thread needs really nothing, then that's the thread COC. You've clearly defined on-topic in Tossers Tavern quite well, which is a very open without restrictions setting.
Now if there was a less-wordy way to explain all that then we are all set. This is more than to just check out spam, it's also to inform newcomers. Another thing, if you wanna say n00b or whatever, then go ahead if that's what you want. Thread COCs are basically letting the posters make the judgements rather than the moderators. You get what I mean?
Think of it as a something kinda like a democracy with judges.
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Aculias
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Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted July 16, 2004 10:33 AM |
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I been away for a bit.
What I mean Asmodan is that everyone should go wherever they want to go without feeling like they are not allowed to go in a place.
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RedSoxFan3
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Fan of Red Sox
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posted July 17, 2004 10:43 AM |
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Down Town Tavern being a bit too active...
From what I have seen Down Town Tavern is a bit too active in my opinion. In a matter of a few weeks there are 26 pages. This is a bit excessive. It seems as though the members post every time they enter. I know this because of the ratio from views to posts. There is about a 5 to 1 view to post ratio. What this means is that the posts are being submitted without thought compared to other threads. The average thread has around 10 views per post, the higher quality threads being as much as 15 or 20. Take a look at Ultimate Male's Guide. 86 to 1024. That's well over 10.
I have not been able to read through the entire thread I will admit. The question is whether this thread belongs in Tavern. The reason that I question the quality of the thread is that with the better threads such as Ultimate Male's Guide it is being read simply for enjoyment. Down Town Tavern is either being overlooked or it does not draw the same enjoyment of reading from the community that normal threads have. Should this thread be put into Wastelands. I have heard this several times from various members.
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TheRealDeal
Promising
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Foobum* of Justice!
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posted July 17, 2004 01:21 PM |
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Got to be kidding me?
Oh Jesus Christ! Thats BS and you know it, first we got slammed out of Tossers Tavern, then we startet our own place, and know you're throwing us into the Wastelands? Yeah, maybe we have a growing thread, But we are also a big bunch of frequent posters in it, instead of a medium sized posters who posts now and then, you can see the difference right? Obviously alot of people got slammed out of TT, because there are alot of people at the DTT, so you must think this a bit more through. Because if you remove us from Tavern of the Rising Sun, it would be the second time we get "tossed" out.
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SapphireRavyn
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Bird of Extreme Patience
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posted July 17, 2004 04:28 PM |
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I could be wrong, but I think the point RSF was trying to make is that no one is reading the DTT. Pretty much the only readers are the posters. It isn't being visited by other members to read "for enjoyment". Although I believe RSF's assessment is correct, I don't see any harm in leaving it here. If it is decided that is to be moved to the Wastelands, it's not like it would get deleted. Threads there are only deleted once they reach page two and are not posted in for a week. I don't see that happening so you have nothing to worry about.
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SapphireRavyn
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Bird of Extreme Patience
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posted July 17, 2004 04:45 PM |
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Actually I just read the last 3-4 pages and there were more CoC violations than in just about any other thread. Either rhyme without swearing of face the consequences. And using alternate spellings is also NOT tolerated. After reading the last few pages, I am STRONGLY rethinking the delete option. Not only does no one read it for enjoyment, but I think it's a HORRIBLE representation of Heroes Community and not at all the type of posting we want here. Most of the posters are fine, but those of you that aren't, really aren't. It's not the type of think I would want well pretty much anyone reading and associating a good forum like Heroes Community with.
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TheRealDeal
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posted July 17, 2004 05:28 PM |
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Well  What goes around, comes around. The people who are int it, doesnt mind. So it would be for newcommers, hey, whoops, no one reads it for enjoyment, except for the posters, problem solved?
But ok, delete it, its only the 2nd tavern we've been in that we cannot post in anymore, we won't feel rejected at all.
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Asmodean
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Heroine at the weekend.
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posted July 17, 2004 07:10 PM |
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Sorry, Real_Deal but I'll have to disagree with you there.
I do post in it, and I found the type of things being written recently to be a bit much.
Which is why I stepped in and IM'ed you and posted in the thread.
And it doesn't matter whether the people posting don't mind. It doesn't look good to a guest who might be thinking of joining.
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TheRealDeal
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posted July 17, 2004 07:25 PM |
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I don't get im's no more. Popup killers.
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pandora
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The Chosen One
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posted July 18, 2004 02:46 AM |
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well, tho i don't want to sound like i'm against the thread why don't you *says in best dingo voice* move it to the wastelands?
Its a lot of 1-2 line chitchat posts and seems more suited for there -then they don't lose their tavern - but they dont break tavern rules? After all, if they maintain their rate of activity the thread lives but when they stop the thread gets deleted. Since as you say only the posters are reading this one, that seems a fair enough solution. The Downtown Tavern exists as long as the Downtowners do
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TheRealDeal
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posted July 18, 2004 03:04 AM |
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i still don't see why we can't stay in Tavern of the Rising Sun, we are tavern for christs sake ^_^ .. And if you're fearing guests getting freaked out, look at tossers tavern, some posters godt thrown out of it, hmm, now thats a way to greet newcommers!
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Aculias
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Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted July 18, 2004 04:48 AM |
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Dude what is the tavern on parole Sox?
Let them have thier fun, thats what it's all qabout right?.
Who cares man as long as theres no harm done & thier having thier fun, why dont you quit getting in everyones business trying to make everyones stay here too miserable man.
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Sir_Stiven
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banned
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posted July 18, 2004 02:12 PM |
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funny.. i reacted on the exact same thing as RSF but leave it to be to see if anyone else saw it and im happy you did.
As RSF i agree that views of 10-1 seems to be standard for interesting threads here. DDT had 4-5 when i noticed it at first. Same goes for the post explotion... that thread had 400posts+ in 2 weeks. Thats around 30posts each day. Only threads ive seen that has that post frequency is VW threads or fighting threads hehe 
As much as i understand tossdeals defense claims it would seem that what the mod side says makes sense too. There seem to be a limited group of posters which posts each time they open HC.
Meaning: Same as most VW threads.
Now this wasnt meant as some attack, just a reflection of what being said and i have to agree with pandora about the handling of the thread about this one.
Though i think that it might be a good step for you DDT people as there are a limited few of you that posts in the thread having it in VW would make it more complain free.
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TheRealDeal
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posted July 18, 2004 02:31 PM |
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Gr8. Well, we have more frequent posters than any other thread, which gives us the xtra bag of posts, if you'd look into our tavern, there is actually alot of people there, posting, having fun. If we get pushed into the wastelands not as many people would join us, which in the long run would kill us a tad off. We like it here, and i dont see why we should get kicked off. If you'd just look you'd see that these posters enjoy themselves, not caring if this is the "in" place, just having fun, talking about real life, maybe a game, over some ale and a bottle of vodka, we'll gladly even delete the intire thread, with one condition, we get to stay in Tossers Tavern, and post as we did in DTT, but since everyone except us in DTT, thinks that we only spam all the time. But we enjoy ourselves, we have fun, we can't say that for every thread, now can we? alot of threads are just filler, like the "i'm going to bed!!!!!!" post, but i didn't complain, because maybe just a few people were enjoying themselves, and well if that was the case, let them have their fun.
This wasnt a defence or anything, just saying it how i see this thing and all. Btw, Stiven, get ur TOH dudes into the "Vampires and Necroes a little unbalanced?" thread.
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Lich_King
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posted July 18, 2004 09:25 PM |
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Actually Guardian's Grove is runed by RMS. But yes, medusa is one of the mods there
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TheRealDeal
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posted July 19, 2004 02:15 AM |
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I agree with you Acu. But i'm still hanging in there. This isn't going out to some one in perticular, but i strongly hope that no one ever applys for the MOD job again, because it squeezes the fun out of the person, it makes them so power hungry and boring, there are few peeps which stay true blue(and there is alot of mods that i didnt meet before they were mods, but i can think of what is said about the person and all) Being a mod is like peeing in you're pants, its nice and warm for a while, but soon it becomes a moisty cold feeling that really is .. disgusting.
Edit: hmmm... Not its 533- 2900. So it isnt that bad anymore now is it? people are obviously reading it now a days..
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pandora
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The Chosen One
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posted July 19, 2004 03:54 AM |
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Aculias, you're seriously outta line. Redsox has done NOTHING but try to improve the community. He has asked time and time again for input, he does not act completely on his own to suit some higher interest. His interest Acu, is making the Heroes Community a better place and yeah he has lots of people behind him 'cuz lots of us want to see this community be the best it can.
To RealDeal, you've been breaking the CoC in your thread. Period. You can make all the insinuations you want trying to shuck blame at someone else, but its right there in type for crying out loud. So quit trying to act the victim and own up - your poems are a violation, so stop! How hard is it? If you don't like that you have to keep it clean here, then find somewhere that suits you better.
I'll tell you what I find disgusting... It's that Asmodean's modhat still has that fresh mod smell on it and already posters are slamming at him 'cuz he's doing his job
I would think the hardest part of being a mod would be to have to reprimand a friend, and I sure don't envy him that -but if you were a friend to him you wouldn't put him in a position where he had to.
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Sir_Stiven
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banned
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posted July 19, 2004 04:02 AM |
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everything isnt black and white. And nor does everything have to change.
Being a moderator means a bigger responsibility. You need to find your role and your part.
btw, am i the only one getting sick of all the commercial for other boards/threads etc?
If you make a thread, then base it on an idea good enough that you dont have to run around making commercial for it all the time. A good thread doesnt need that.
Put that time and energy on making your threads more thought through instead of dragging other threads off topic while making boring commercials.
And the board commercials are even worse. Same thing goes there, if the board is interesting enough it will stand on its own.
No boring publicity making is necessary.
Its easy, if you dont like RSF because you (read: kitten ) think he is powerhungry aculias then switch to another board or avoid the people you dont like. But dont expect others to do the same.
At the gamesite where im in a leading position all external links are forbidden. I like that. Though at a msg board it would be extreme. But someplace you gotta draw the line and i think posts which solely purpose is too make people join other msg boards are not of a good nature as they
A) are not on topic whatsoever
B) usually kills off the actual discussion
C) is conciderd an insult IMO as it only degrades the msg board its written in and therefor should be conciderd a CoC violation.
I dont have any problems with members being a part of any number of heroes boards.. i dont. But i think its ridicioulus when you use one board to make a commercial for another board.
If you dont like one board then stay away from it, dont go there and make boring commercial. Thats just stupid and non contributive.
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pan baby, good post. Basically agree with it all, nice to see that you can sharpen up those claws every now and then..meeeow 
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Shai-Hulud
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posted July 19, 2004 04:08 AM |
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If i remember correct... The Ultimate Male's thread had the most large number of insults, or at least the most directed ones... Lith Maethor knows it... which is by the way a MOD, but beacuse he thought that was fun he didn't requested a ban on this member, so I think this goes by the same way in the Tavern. And about those numbers... In comparation with Ultimate Male's thread. You see there you had to write quite big posts so nobody tried to write them. They read, luaghed and then they've moved forward not posting, maybe beacuse lack of inspiration or simply didn't want to... I was one of the guys that wrote quite big posts ( don't know with the part interesting). But with the tavern, it's a different thing you know. That's why it's called a tavern, beacuse everyone knows how to toss( even if some people do it better and some worser), so they don't have to write more than 5 lines. That's easy for them and so on... By the way, the tavern didn't made us only DTT posters,we also post in different threads...
Edit: Btw, some people can't go to other boards( talking about GG) from the simple reason that his computer can't find the site(?!? don't know why).
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Sir_Stiven
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Legendary Hero
banned
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posted July 19, 2004 04:19 AM |
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beacuse everyone knows how to toss
no.
some knows how to toss and some people is making a toss without their knowledge.
Its like some people you laugh with when they are making a joke, and some people you are laughing at.
there is a slight difference in words but a much more obvious one in actual discussions.
As for the DDT tavern, i dont care how many times you click for watch the thread. The visit frequency has been low all along and if it goes skyhigh now you are just making your case even worse.
Take for example dalai-lamas last post, every post ive seen him write so far he has included a signature about DDT "being the place to be" or something similiar.
Now it wasnt there.
Thats just another thing how hollow you make this. And that doesnt help your cause either.
Facts are DDT tavern had about 400 posts in 2 weeks. That means no time for you regular posters there to view since you all seem to post in it as soon as you see it
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