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Elodin
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posted March 18, 2013 10:31 PM |
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Edited by Elodin at 22:37, 18 Mar 2013.
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Just lol....now the word "fanatic" is some kind of insult?
Come on...it is getting pretty low now, isn't it?
You never heard about "fanatic fans" in football stadiums? If so, what does that mean? They are bad? No...the SUPPORT their team, NO MATTER WHAT.
Same way it is with a religious fanatic...he supports his believe, no matter what. If this is good or bad, isn't the question here. This was never to be discussed with that statement.
So I still stick to my statement:
Calling everyone who is NOT pro-bible an atheist could be seen as an insult. I think buddhist don't like that kind of name calling either...
First of all, I've never called anyone who is not "pro-Bible" an atheist. Anyone who says I have is:
1) a liar; or
2) suffering from a failure to comprehend what I have written; or
3) delusional.
Anyone who claims I have called everyone who is not "pro-Bible" an atheist produce a quote of me saying so.
I'd have to be an idiot to think everyone who is not "pro-Bible" is an atheist. Muslims are not pro-Bible, Hindus are no "pro-Bible", ect.
I have rational reasons for my beliefs and am certainly not a fanatic according to your definition. I have changed my beliefs over the years as I have grown in knowledge and understanding. I posted my testimony in the OSM on a couple of occasions that described my spiritual journey.
I have no idea why this is popping up again because I certainly did not initiate it but I'd ask you to kindly stop provoking me. Thanks.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted March 18, 2013 10:43 PM |
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You can always tell who has the right by looking at their attitude. :3
Also Forfy, though I do love reading your water-tight posts, I don't think that structuring them like a mermaid's brazier is doing you any favors. 
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Corribus
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posted March 18, 2013 11:43 PM |
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If you people are finished, I'd like to report that I deleted Seraphim's recent outstanding example of poor posting behavior in the Religion thread. He posts several links without explanation of what they are, and then manages to insult all of liberals and an entire religion in a single sentence. Maybe I should have left it around as a great indicator of what I don't like to see in the OSM, but I guess it's too late for that. Would be lamentable but I'm sure we'll have another fine example of the same soon enough.
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Corribus
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posted March 19, 2013 11:47 PM |
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Wow.
I can't tell you how sick I am of this nonsense with Elodin all the time. He's here, he's got his opinions, and none of you like them. Fine. So don't read them or reply to them. Is it really that hard?
THREAD SNOWING CLEANED
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JollyJoker
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posted March 20, 2013 08:55 AM |
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I'm a bit loath to bring that up, but this thread is called "OSM Feedback" for a reason, not "feedback the moderators like to read".
Is there anywhere any point mentioned that forbids to give OSM feedback on persons's way to post, general problems with posters's attitudes, general reasons why certain threads tend to be derailed and so on?
Is there anywhere a point mentioned that specifically forbids to suggest MINUS QPs here? If you'd do that (suggesting Minus QPs, I mean), wouldn't that automatically call for a discussion like this?
And if we are at it, if, on a board like this, a person is allowed to run their personal hatebook against the head of the state they choose to live in, calling them all kind of names - why the hell would it be wrong to call these persons names as well? "Ignorant fanatic yapper"?
It would be wrong because it would derail a thread and eventually the whole board.
Now, don't get me wrong, I clearly see this kind of OSM feedback is a can of worms that you do not want to have opened, and at all costs. But in all fairness, Corribus, if you allow a poster to abuse this board for his personal derisive campaigns against public people, it seems a bit far-fetched to forbid and delete opining about "public people of this board".
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted March 20, 2013 10:25 AM |
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Perhaps we could have discussion arbiters? I would suggest the mods, (they are meant to be impartial after-all) but it's clear that they're not, you could argue that nobody can truly ever be impartial. But wait, that would mean that there's a right answer, or a 'right' way to look at a situation, and maybe there is but we're all different, for good or ill.
So what's the point of discussions? So far (as I said previously) the topics seem WAY too adversarial, all or nothing, you win or you lose. This is not the way discussions are meant to be oriented, and it's certainly the reason for all this QQ, everyone trying to 'beat' Elodin is what's causing this, not Elodin himself. ("two to tango")
Take a different approach to discussions and work to develop your own points and your own way of thinking, and not just attack other members as soon as they post something that "annoys" you. If he annoys you find out why it rubs you the wrong way.
Spiders:
I used to hate spiders, as soon as I saw them I'd freak out inside. Do you think a logical argument on the pros and cons of spiders backed up by facts is going to change the fact that I disliked spiders? People are different and you need to learn to be more tolerant, especially after all this time, especially with the same person. So why should you be tolerant and not Elly? Because you're the one that's annoyed, Elodin has been fighting peeps like you his whole life, and uses your arguments to develop himself and his own views. (he does by having to counter them) In the end I came to the conclusion that I love spiders, and that was that, all I had to do is force a change in myself. Adapt to the situation.
Try to use Elodin to develop yourself, this is true for not just Elodin, but for everything else. After all, it's "free".
Everything offers a lesson to be learned.
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Sure, we can "ignore" opinions we don't like - but that's not what makes a discussion, right?
I have not suggested this...Actually I suggested the contrary, nor was I offering advice on how to deal with the "Elodin problem", i was stating that you have to change your perspective of perceiving it as a problem.
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JollyJoker
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posted March 20, 2013 11:14 AM |
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My post wasn't about Elodin, but about deleting legal "OSM feedback" - do you really think it makes sense to give advice how to deal with the "Elodin problem", when the discussion of it is prohibited and deleted anyway?
Sure, we can "ignore" opinions we don't like - but that's not what makes a discussion, right? Someone saying something, followed by three "I agree"'s, while everyone not agreeing keeps shtumm and ignores what has been said is certainly not the purpose of a forum that is dedicated to discussing real life issues.
Edit: Only the first part is in answer to the Tsar's post; the second is referring again to the bold-print message of the moderator.
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OhforfSake
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posted March 20, 2013 12:00 PM |
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Having read Tsar's posts, I actually think posting styles and suggestions could be a very interesting topic, where people could tell about their way of posting and give suggestion to what they find a proper discussion.
But I am not sure would if it be wiser to use the already existing thread here: http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=24825&pagenumber=2, for such a discussion or would it be smarter to simply make a new thread?
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I know this is a VW thread, but I thought I might as well ask since you read this thread, Corribus. Why was the IQ thread closed? I personally found it very interesting and I didn't see any rules it went against.
I'm contemplating opening a similar topic, maybe in the OSM, but do I risk it just getting closed right away?
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Corribus
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posted March 20, 2013 01:18 PM |
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There was no feedback in the posts I deleted, only more crap about why Elodin allegedly isn't this or that or the other. You want to post feedback? Fine, post feedback. Anything else I delete. Period.
Pretty simple, actually. Should be easy for all of you to understand.
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master_learn
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posted March 20, 2013 01:34 PM |
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Ok,a bit of beedback.
I nominate in this thread post 7th on second page with author of the post OhForfSake-the name of the author is mentioned mostly for clarity reasons(like deleting of posts may result in incorrect number from my feedback).
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xerox
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posted March 20, 2013 02:47 PM |
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Maybe this should be separated into a "QP / Penalty suggestions" and a less regulated "User feedback" thread. Now ofc, it's impossible to review the Elodin posts and judge if they're constructive or not because Corribus deleted them all...
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Elodin
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posted March 20, 2013 03:07 PM |
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@JJ
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And if we are at it, if, on a board like this, a person is allowed to run their personal hatebook against the head of the state they choose to live in, calling them all kind of names - why the hell would it be wrong to call these persons names as well? "Ignorant fanatic yapper"?
It would be wrong because it would derail a thread and eventually the whole board.
Now, don't get me wrong, I clearly see this kind of OSM feedback is a can of worms that you do not want to have opened, and at all costs. But in all fairness, Corribus, if you allow a poster to abuse this board for his personal derisive campaigns against public people, it seems a bit far-fetched to forbid and delete opining about "public people of this board".
If you are referring to me, I hate no one. Satire of political figures is a time honored tradition.
I just did a quick search to ensure my memory was not playing tricks on me, and I found that you and others called Bush a war criminal and insulted him in various other ways. Yet seemingly because Obama is a leftist who reflects your viewpoints in many ways you seem to wish to protect him from criticism. You've also insulted Palin and other conservative public figures in a number of ways. So your objection to me criticizing Obama would seem rather hypocritical to me.
I submit to you that there is a difference between saying negative things about a head of state and insulting a community members. I do not believe the COC protects heads of states from having negativity attached to them.
I also submit to you that if someone is going to lambast public figures such as Limbaugh, Palin, Bush, McCain, Romney, ect, he should not cry rivers of tears when leftist politicians are critiqued.
Also, I'm not an "Ignorant fanatic yapper."
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JollyJoker
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posted March 20, 2013 04:39 PM |
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Yeah, well, I've already been deleted, trying to explain a couple of things to you, so I'm afraid, discussing the finer points of "political satire" and "critisizing public figures" will be as impossible as the discussion of whether you are really an ignorant fanatical yapper or not, whether that's important or not, why the CoC and probably every moderator won't allow such name-calling no matter whether true or not, or whether there is a difference in saying Obama is a Marxist Liberal Lunatic or God is a bloodthirsty murdering Lunatic and what this will invariably lead to.
So ist doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to continue. Especially since we won't ever agree anyway.
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artu
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My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted March 27, 2013 11:39 PM |
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Corribus, I'm guessing you have your reasons but don't you think you are a little oversensitive about threads derailing? I mean during a discussion, a topic divides into sub-topics, that's one of the fun and interesting things about it. So as long as it does not turn into chaotic monologue or spam, what's wrong with enhancing the thread sometimes. You even give derailment warnings while other mods are the participating ones. It's not like we're writing an academic thesis here.
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The_Gootch
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posted March 28, 2013 12:54 AM |
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Correction Elodin, you are most definitely a willfully ignorant fanatic yapper. Hey, maybe it isn't your fault though. Maybe you never got a chance to regard smart people as authority figures. Graduates of Oral Roberts university don't count.
Chill Fred. Don't let the euros (no, they don't even deserve to get their pejorative capitalized, that's how much I despise them) get to you. Corribus is speaking from experience. We've seen plenty of altogether interesting threads slide into US vs. the world arguments. I'm just shocked that Elodin created a thread that was anywhere near throught provoking. Social conservatives and their parrots deserve nothing but contempt and an ass-kicking at the polls.
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Corribus
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posted March 28, 2013 12:55 AM |
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Corribus, I'm guessing you have your reasons but don't you think you are a little oversensitive about threads derailing?
No. We have threads for a reason. Threads which veer far off topic are harder to moderate and harder to follow for people who are interested in the primary topic. The thread in question is about the limited role of government, not about how many soldiers died in Iraq. And speaking of that thread, it has been closed until I have a chance to clean it.
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Seraphim
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posted March 28, 2013 01:21 AM |
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Corribus, I'm guessing you have your reasons but don't you think you are a little oversensitive about threads derailing?
No. We have threads for a reason. Threads which veer far off topic are harder to moderate and harder to follow for people who are interested in the primary topic. The thread in question is about the limited role of government, not about how many soldiers died in Iraq. And speaking of that thread, it has been closed until I have a chance to clean it.
Here is a suggestion. Dont bother unlocking it. The OP was based entirely on the US and its goverment. Its only natural that such a thread would derrail because it did not even try to broaden the context.
The US Goverment, through known from the media, is somewhat alien to non-US people and is known through Bias glasses from the the media.
Thats an opinion, not a fact btw.
Do as you please though.
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Elodin
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posted March 28, 2013 01:25 AM |
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I'm glad Corribus is cleaning the thread and then reopening it. I've been exercising considerable restraint to keep from responding to the off-topic posts. I think the tread topic is of considerable importance.
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mvassilev
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posted March 28, 2013 03:17 AM |
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I object to the closing of the derailment thread. There is precedent for it (Bak made a similar thread in the past). Also, though Corribus was right to say that the OSM isn't for random topics, but there's a difference between "random" and "off-topic in the current thread". If the topic is appropriate for the OSM, I don't see a problem with it being discussed in a thread like that.
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Corribus
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posted March 28, 2013 03:51 AM |
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1) It's not closed permanently. You should read more carefully what has been written before you start lodging objections.
2) Occasional off topic posts are allowed, and it has never been otherwise. However long strings of off topic posts need to be turned into a new thread when they begin to interfere with the primary discussion. I wish I could merge and splinter threads to assist in thread maintenance. Unfortunately I cannot. I have to work within the powers I have. The only way I can manage threads is to ask people to stay on topic if side-discussions get out of hand, and, if the problem persists, clean the thread of posts related to the side-topic. Additionally I can silence and penalize people who start to make off topic posts for the sole reason of deliberately derailing threads or who flagrantly and repeatedly ignore my requests to stay on topic; however I see this kind of action as a last resort.
Admittedly the point where an off topic discussion interferes with the primary discussion is somewhat subjective. However, as moderator I am the one who gets to make that decision. You may of course voice an opinion and I will take it into consideration, but ultimately you must abide by whatever I decide or appeal to the system administrator.
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