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posted July 11, 2006 11:59 AM |
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Im not posing as an Australian. I was born in Italy but came here at a young age. I have equal right to call myself an Italian or an Australian. But lets no get into that here.
Sure Zidane has had a great career and a great tournament and it showed as he won player of the tourney, followed closely by Cannavaro and Pirlo. I for one am not one of those people who would forget a great career due to that. I was more refering to the ignorant fools. The same who would blame Roberto Baggio for losing Italy the world cup when it was his hat-trick the game before that got them in.
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posted July 11, 2006 12:04 PM |
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Then it's all good.  
Grats then, you italian (during the world cup) + australian (the rest of the time) foo !  
Seriously though, nothing to debate upon, we agree on the essential, dude !
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posted July 11, 2006 12:33 PM |
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...As for Materazzi being the catalyst for Zidanes actions, so what. That is no excuse to act like that.
Youīre prolly right here.
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Show some maturity and take it up with the ref after the game.
This is a typical example for "Never happened to myself so i can talk easily". If it is true, what some people "saw" in the replays when trying to read from materazziīs lips, then Materazzi should be banned from football at least 1 year. And i would like to see YOUR actions if someone stands in front of you and says these things about YOUR sister. I wanna see how u starting smiling and give that guy a kiss...
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Its not the first time Zidane has used his bald head like that anyway, so he deserved exactly what he got.
Also true.
Zidane has a bad temper, which was known by all other players also. This red card was the 14th in his career, so suspension is a main part of his career it seems.
Still he remains one of the best football players ever, and for me, the best football player in the last 15 years.
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posted July 11, 2006 01:06 PM |
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I am not French or Italian Slayer.
Nor have I watched Football at all until this yr so I am quite new to any controversy any teams have or had.
I am equal & I cared less who won.
I think both are at fault.
Take it out in the streets.
Zidane should of held his temper but heh, would you Slayer if someone called your mother a B & called you a terrost & was actually serious when he said it?
Like I said i think both players are at fault.
I just have no respect for Materazzi.
Pussy way to win a game I think.
sure yall won in penalty kicks but only 4-5
Zidane was in there, it could of been all different.
Different order of kickers etc.
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posted July 11, 2006 01:20 PM |
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I think that Acu got the point right...
Zidane's reaction, or better said revenge or payback, wasn't the best thing to do but I think that it was justyfied.
When you look at the replay you see Materazzi talking to Zidane, this Zizu takes okay and is walking away smiling at the idiot, but then Materazzi say's something more and it probably was the last straw...
Realy I would like to see anyone not react rashly and agressively. It would take one hell of a calm person. 1 bilion people wathcing, 80thousand int he stand, the final of the world cup, your last match, extra time and you are stressed like hell. Then some jerk comes along and starts calling you Algerian s***, a terrorist and your sister and mother who**'s and god knows what else...
If we were to be absolutely fair, but should have been sent off, since swearing and personal insnows of sever matter are not to be tolerated by refs, though they let it pass alot...
I'm not saying that what Zidane did was right... I'm saying that it was justyfied.
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posted July 11, 2006 02:55 PM |
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another bad thing is that materazzi would have acted like he was in pain. i would have liked to see zidane do something that would have put materazzi in alot of pain
if your gonna get a red card and retire after that very game, you might aswell hurt someone too. headbut someones chest? thats not gonna hurt someone. kick to the groin will
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Well with his hard bald Nogin & how hard he can hit the ball in the net with his head.
You see how fast he hit his chest.
He got him pretty good.
Regardless I think Materazzi Exagerated quite a bit.
Preplaned to get Zidane out to get the easy win.
I lost all respect for all the italian players who play football.
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posted July 11, 2006 03:55 PM |
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ive sed much worse stuff then that in a footy game, and iv never received a reaction like that.. Yes i do believe the red card tainted his career. There is a magazine in France which has condemned him as the downfall to the French charge for WC glory.. He did cost them the final. Also hes playing in a world cup final.. one of the biggest stages in football, and to do something lyk that is unforgiveable im sorry. It doesnt matter wot materazzi sed, im fully behind him italian or not.. He could be seen as great as maradonna, pele, or the like, instead he joins the ranks of disgraced footballers. Theres been many accusations as to what materazzi sed. but you forget this, zidane is a professional player, he has been taunted and sworn at since he began playing. Just because he cant face consequences for his actions doesnt mean he has a free shot. He is an idol to many budding youngsters, and what is he going to say to his children? One of the accusations is that materazzi was holding his shirt, and zidane sed if u want my shirt that bad il give it to u wen we win. Materazzi then sed id rather take it off ur wife. Now come on if thats true how could that warrent such action?? im very confused
Also i am australian, but i hav italian heritage, and for that reason, italy is my team. I went for italy over australia, simply because iv followed italian soccer all my life, italy has always been my country in soccer and i love the team more then i do the australian team. i can list every member of the italian squad, aswell am much of the fringe players, but i struggle to list the starting 11 of australia.
Also, the headbutt itself was vicious. It would have hurt, and it would have hurt alot. look at the intensity that zidane hit him with. Im sure materazzi may have exaggerated, but even if he got up straight away, still would hav been red card. Also id prefer materazzi to roll on the ground in agony, then get up nd smack zidane out. Materazzi is a towering figure, one id be afraid of..
Those who defend zidanes actions are no better them him. He had a great career, an outstanding player, but he wont be remembered for scoring the dubious penalty in the world cup, or the 2 goals in the france 98 triumph, or any other feat he has performed, he will b remembered for costing france the WC and acting lyk i spoilt brat.
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posted July 11, 2006 04:05 PM |
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Nough said 
For your info I dont think anyone supports what Zidane did.
Just the same as we dont support what Materazzi did also.
Of course your Italian.
I could only read this comment from Italians or people who dont care for France.
Typical reply Titan.
I read you were from Australia but with your comment, I already knew you had Italian in you by your comment
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posted July 11, 2006 04:37 PM |
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I donīt know why some guys think that red card costed France the title. Why do u think so? You think France would have scored FOR SURE a goal in the last 11 minutes?
Donīt refer to the penalty shootout please, coz then u r completely wrong. Zidane wouldnīt have replaced Trezeguet, but ABIDAL. Abidal on the other hand scored his penalty, so no difference here. And also no psychological difference, coz Wiltord made his penalty (as first player), like Zidane prolly would have had aswell.
And Zidane will be remembered for this bad action only by italians it seems, coz the other countries donīt forget ALL good things he made because of ONE bad thing...
And btw....Materazzi will be remembered for his bad action forever i think, coz he didnīt had any brilliant moments in his football career....thatīs the difference...
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posted July 11, 2006 04:40 PM |
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Aculias what you said before what pretty ignorant. To say you have lost respect for all Italian players because of that. They all played a hard well fought game and deserve a win. Sure lose respect for materazzi, but why the whole team. The rest of them played their hearts out to win that cup and wholey deserve it.
Whether the headbutt was justified or not, Zidane should have controlled himself. Why sink to the level of a player who is verbally insulting you? That just shows your lower than him. simple as that.
And just to get the record straight, it was 3-5 not 4-5. But regardless of the scoreline, a win is a win. France got what was in my opinion, a dodgy penalty. From the reverse angle there looked to be no contact whatsoever. But if France was to win due to penalties, would you say that it was a cheap win? No you wouldnt, because your bias. Look at both sides of the story. Italy fought back with a great goal, as opposed to a penalty.
EDIT: angelito your wrong. It was Materazzi's goal that got italy back into the game. He is a hero at home He also scored a winning header in a previous game
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posted July 11, 2006 06:43 PM |
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EDIT: angelito your wrong. It was Materazzi's goal that got italy back into the game...
I know that DS, but that doesnīt make him briliant. And how are the odds someone NON-italian will remember that fact?
You know who scored the 3rd goal in Franceīs win over Brazil in the 1998 final? (without looking it up of course...) I guess not. And how many people know Zidane scored 2 goals in that game? Some more i guess...
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He is a hero at home He also scored a winning header in a previous game
See how fast one can forget such things? Itīs just 2 weeks ago, only 7 games played, but who was the opponent?
And his header was not the winner, but the 1-0 vs Czech republic, which ended 2-0.
But nevertheless i am with u on the fact, the whole italian team deserved the cup. They played awesome defense and have never been the worse team in any game. They may had luck (Australia, Ucraine), some games were pretty close (Germany, France), but which champion wins all his games by far?
And in my opinion, Cannavaro should have been the best player in that tournament. For sure the best defender in the world currently.
But he got the cup, so let Zidane get that reward...
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posted July 11, 2006 08:43 PM |
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Any real football fan knows Emmanuel Petit scored that goal.
With Zidanes experience he should know that whatever was said Materazzi didnt really mean it, it was only said to provoke. Therefore his reaction cant be explained as anything but stupidity.
Quotes: -Zidane should of held his temper but heh, would you Slayer if someone called your mother a B & called you a terrost & was actually serious when he said it?
-Zidane's reaction, or better said revenge or payback, wasn't the best thing to do but I think that it was justyfied.
Use your brains guys. That way of thinking often ends by a person stabbing someone to death because he called his mother (whom he dosent know) a snow. You are to easy to provoke if you cant think futher.
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posted July 11, 2006 09:31 PM |
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My guess was it was the heat of the moment, the Refs made many missed calls & the cup was on the line.
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posted July 12, 2006 05:37 AM |
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i dont even think zidane had that good of a tournament.. sure he played some good games, but i was geniunely surprised to discover he had won it.. That does not mean i think the honour should hav gone to an italian player, however i wouldnt have complained if materazzi got it.. I think players such as grosso have been a revelation at this WC, 5 years ago Gross was playin in the Serie C2.. He scored the winner against Germany, scored the winning penalty, and was the one brought down in the Australian box. To match that, he has had some very strong performances.
Oh well the WC has finally concluded, after a few very contreversial moments, and some surprising results.. I look forward to 4 years time, when it will all start agen..
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posted July 12, 2006 06:59 AM |
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Nobody should defend Zidane's actions, yeah maybe he had a reason to do it, maybe Materazzi was talking mean to him but come on, he is a professional and one of the best players in the world, he can't do something as stupid as that, Zidane lost all my respect after that, I still think he plays incredible football but that is not all that makes a player, I can't believe he won the Golden Ball, that should have gone to Fabio Cannavaro, the man played the world cup of his life, he defended Italy's goal constantly, with power, and with grace as he commited very few fouls and got no yellow cards (I think).
The Italian team played like never before and they deserved this World Cup, I'm a Dutch fan but when the Dutch went home (damn Marcos Van Basten) I immediately rooted for Italy & Germany as they were clearly the best, the Semi Final match between the two will probably live in my mind for my whole life, it was the best match ever. I got incredibly bored watching France burn time with Portugal after a dubious penalty and I also got bored watching France-Italy, a horrible penalty awarded, very poor Italian attack (Totti was nowhere to be seen before he was replaced and Perrota is a plain bad crap player), Materazzi's goal was good, at least it was clean and Italy defended themselves like champs and did sent some interesting attacks, France played good and, attacking constantly, Henry did a hell of a match and despite the headbutt Zizou played a good match too technically speaking, Italy was better in PSO and overall because of their and France's performances THROUGHOUT the whole World Cup I really thought Italy deserved the cup, France was great against Spain and Brazil, but Italy kept their cool, conceded only two goals (an own goal and a penalty at that), nominated 4 Golden Ball candidates (more than any other country), set up the greatest match of the World Cup (in my eyes) alongside Germany and presented another incredible match (USA-Italy), overall, I'm very pleased with the Italian team.
Germany was great too, Jurgen Klinsmann is one of the best coaches I've ever seen and they played so good and with so much heart that they truly deserved to be in the Final, moreso than France (France still deserved it... not as much as Germany though).
Overall I'm very pleased with this World Cup, I would have like the Dutch and Ecuadorian team go further but I'm extremely happy to have seen the performance of great teams such as France, Germany and especially Italy, I was also thrilled to see Brazil go out, I hate that team despite being a South American, I also liked that there were no unfair winners here, the 4 semi finalists earned their spot fairly, unlike the 2002 fiasgo, Portugal did not score many goals but was an entertaining team nonetheless and the three other teams are as good as you can get.
This is my favorite World Cup so far.
About the South Korean Italy-kicked out of Seria A team deal... well, that has to do with the whole 2002 Korea Japan referee fiasgo, that was a very disgusting world cup, Spain should have beat Korea (2 goals ruled out unfairly? come on Korea) and the referee Byron Moreno against Italy... well that was horrible too, FIFA even banned Moreno, and don't call me Italian bias, I'm an Ecuadorian (same nationality as Moreno) and I'm downright disgusted a man like that represents us, he was incredibly unfair against Italy and he was extremely unfair in quite some games in the local club league here...
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posted July 12, 2006 02:30 PM |
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I would just like to say I told you so to Russ, who earlier in this thread criticized my decision to put money on Italy as the had no chance of winning.
Just to rub it in more, i put more money on them a day later to actually win the cup...
so there
LOL, see how many red cards you can get
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posted July 13, 2006 01:46 PM |
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First try, I got 1670... But should be getting much better as I start training ! Thx a lot, foo ! Very relaxing game. Specially for a frenchie !
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posted July 13, 2006 02:16 PM |
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lol, I got 2470 ... and I'm not even french.
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Let me just put in a word on this whole Zidane thing. Yeah he's a proffeesional and shouldn't have attacked that fella. But Zidane was punished. He was sent off and possibly lost the game because of it. But what about the defender who said those rude remarks?
In public (aside for getting a kicking) he could well have been charged for offensive remarks meant to antagonise. Verbal abuse whether you think is nothing or not is still an offense. What will the federation do about the mouthy defender? Probably nothing which means more trash talking and less football.
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