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Ebonheart
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posted August 27, 2015 11:06 PM |
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OhforfSake said:
After "ground immunity" (levitate), Weezing became a physical wall.
True. But competitive matches are rather boring if you ask me. It is 25% about luck (misses, critical hits etc), 25% about comp and 45% of mirror-mind-play (or in layman's terms: being one step ahead of the other knowing he knows you will be one step ahead and therefore every move is a 50/50 shot on good/bad) and the last 5% comes in form of tactical skill.
If I ever play Pokémon it is probably vs the AI. At least they bring some variety in the thinking (to some extent ofc).
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OhforfSake
Promising
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posted August 27, 2015 11:53 PM |
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Not every move is 50/50 good/bad. 
E.g. there exist cases where you can say "I know he'll use a fire type, so changing into my shedninja won't be a good call".
But otherwise I agree with you. I especially dislike crit. hits. Not because of double damage, but because they ignore defense boosts. If at least they were something like max(double damage with defense boost, vs. half damage without) or something similar, then I'd find them more enjoyable.
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kiryu133
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posted August 27, 2015 11:59 PM |
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need to perfect my 100% crit Absol, strat...
thinking Baton/Swords dance ninjask? could be fun...
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Ebonheart
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posted August 28, 2015 12:15 AM |
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OhforfSake said:
Not every move is 50/50 good/bad.
E.g. there exist cases where you can say "I know he'll use a fire type, so changing into my shedninja won't be a good call".
But otherwise I agree with you. I especially dislike crit. hits. Not because of double damage, but because they ignore defense boosts. If at least they were something like max(double damage with defense boost, vs. half damage without) or something similar, then I'd find them more enjoyable.
What I mean by 50/50 is that you will either get lucky and picking the option your foe does not expect or you get unlucky and he expected it. Even if you knew both scenarios.
For example the classic issue: You face a Ninjask. Now there are many scenarios but these tend to be the three common ones.
1. Ninjask can use a power up move, like Swords Dance.
2. Ninjask can use protect with the purpose only to draw an attack and just for the speed boost.
3.It is a bluff. He keeps that ninjask out just to sway you from his true goal or smashing you with his 2nd Pokémon.
Unless you can bring it down in a multi-hitting move, you are forced to dispatch at least one of your Pokémon to deal with it.
But that is expected so it might just use Protect instead of SD. Granting it a free speed boost you and a jumped turn.
Following option N2: It can once again fool you by using say toxic/substitute instead of button pass or SD. (It can even try to use Protect twice in a row).
So even if you know the different tactics, it simply comes down to pure luck. The problem is, there is not much you can do to stop this pattern in the Pokemon series.
I also agree with the CHs. They should not go through defense boosts.
But Pokemon is basically the definition of luck in my world. Even a whole battle can be decided just on the first pokemon randomly sent out. But hey, this is just what I think.
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OhforfSake
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posted August 28, 2015 12:46 AM |
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My point was just that while there may exist counters for every strategy and the one who picks the right one, while the right one may not always be the right one (as you say) tends to win, there are also times where there exist definite right / wrong solution. I.e. sometimes there is skill to it. Not to mention other times, where some tactics have higher likeliness of succeeding than others depending on the information you've gathered.
I don't remember how the game changed, if protect now protects against e.g. roar/whirlwind stuff, etc. but iIRC the pro scene is a lot more damage moves than strategic moves.
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Ebonheart
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posted August 28, 2015 09:04 AM |
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OhforfSake said:
My point was just that while there may exist counters for every strategy and the one who picks the right one, while the right one may not always be the right one (as you say) tends to win, there are also times where there exist definite right / wrong solution. I.e. sometimes there is skill to it. Not to mention other times, where some tactics have higher likeliness of succeeding than others depending on the information you've gathered.
I don't remember how the game changed, if protect now protects against e.g. roar/whirlwind stuff, etc. but iIRC the pro scene is a lot more damage moves than strategic moves.
As far as I am concerned the skill comes in creating a good tactic while being aware of the stratagems your opponent might employ.
I gave up this game long ago and only play it for the sake of nostalgia these days, but if I could change it I would increase health values by 500%, reduce the effect of toxins/burns and other % based moves and also increase the amount of moves to 20. That would make the battles longer and more unpredictable when it comes to the different ruses involved with certain comps.
Alas, this is once again just what I think.
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OhforfSake
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posted August 28, 2015 12:06 PM |
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And healing moves then?
Long time since I played, but iIRC gen. 2 (my fav.) was probably the one where pokemen were the most bulky, so it may be more your style. I've seen videos of these later generations where pokemon falls often in a single move.
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Ebonheart
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posted August 28, 2015 12:15 PM |
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OhforfSake said:
And healing moves then?
Long time since I played, but iIRC gen. 2 (my fav.) was probably the one where pokemen were the most bulky, so it may be more your style. I've seen videos of these later generations where pokemon falls often in a single move.
I said % based moves, that includes heals like recovery, ingrain and leech seed etc.
I preferred G3 tbh. I know it has some severe flaws but I found it to be capable of the best mix when it comes to direct and over time attacks.
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The_green_drag
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posted August 28, 2015 03:35 PM |
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Anyone seen pokken? I think that's what it's called but it's a tekken game which is like mortal combat I guess but with Pokemon. Looks cool and should come to the wii u soonish.
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blob2
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Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted August 30, 2015 10:36 PM |
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The_green_drag said:
Anyone seen pokken? I think that's what it's called but it's a tekken game which is like mortal combat I guess but with Pokemon. Looks cool and should come to the wii u soonish.
Yeah, seen it. Nice idea! It's cool to see those critters finally putting up a serious fight. I won't play the game though, it's not enough to justify buying a Wii U I'm afraid. I wonder how the final rooster will look like. The potential is incredible, but I guess they'll end up adding only a few more Poke's...
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The_green_drag
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posted August 31, 2015 12:53 AM |
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Yeah I think the roster Number is pretty weak from what I've seen
But I already got my wii u cause of Smash and Xenoblade and eventually Zelda so I'll end up getting it anyway. I am glad they're using mostly classic pokemon over new ones.
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GunFred
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posted September 09, 2015 08:35 PM |
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Hey, I am trying to get that Oval Charm thingy which increases egg production rate. I only need to discover Groudon and the regi trio now so if anyone would be interested in trading their Groudon for my Kyogre back and forth, let me know.
Also, if anyone(same person efficiently) got a hidden ability Skrelp, I would be willing to trade something desirable in return(but not my virginity, I'll keep it to myself ).
Stuff I have been breeding lately; Meowth, Porygon, Tyrouge, Drowzee, Voltorb, Grimer, your mom, Joltik, Weedle, Rattata and Staryu.
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kiryu133
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posted September 09, 2015 09:18 PM |
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I'd be up for it
I'll PM you with my details tomorrow when I've dug up my 3DS
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GunFred
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posted September 09, 2015 09:32 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
I'd be up for it
I'll PM you with my details tomorrow when I've dug up my 3DS
Cool, I'll be home and available around 17-24. If you also get me that Skrelp, I'll gift you my virg... a good IV breeding leftover from among those above or anything else you desire.
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kiryu133
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posted September 09, 2015 09:37 PM |
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No skrelps, just Treekos and Ralts. I think I have some leftover ralts at least  Not really huge into the whole thing so pretty much just have what I want.
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GunFred
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posted September 09, 2015 10:17 PM |
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If you get the time and will for it, you could easily find it with DexNav at routes 105-109 with minimum search level 10.
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kiryu133
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posted September 09, 2015 10:30 PM |
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I'll keep you updated then... but it'll probably take a while
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EnergyZ
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posted September 10, 2015 11:11 AM |
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Edited by EnergyZ at 11:12, 10 Sep 2015.
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Pokémon Go.
Hm, now where have I seen such a feature?
Poor Mewtwo, being hunted like that.
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emilsn91
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posted September 10, 2015 06:07 PM |
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EnergyZ said:
Pokémon Go.
Hm, now where have I seen such a feature?
Poor Mewtwo, being hunted like that.
I am psyched, and it is the closest to a MMORPG with Pokemon we get. 
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Kareeah_Indaga
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posted September 10, 2015 06:11 PM |
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