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Thread: ~ Heroes 6 - Discussion thread ~ [ This thread is 525 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 373 374 375 376 377 378 379 380 381 382 383 384 385 386 387 388 389 390 391 392 393 394 395 396 397 398 399 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 407 408 409 410 411 412 413 414 415 416 417 418 419 420 421 422 423 424 425 426 427 428 429 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 437 438 439 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 461 462 463 464 465 466 467 468 469 470 471 472 473 474 475 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 487 488 489 490 491 492 493 494 495 496 497 498 499 500 501 502 503 504 505 506 507 508 509 510 511 512 513 514 515 516 517 518 519 520 521 (522) 523 524 525 ]
Sylvio
Sylvio

Tavern Dweller
posted October 12, 2011 11:39 AM

I just bought hard copy of H6(from media markt) and I'm happy.^^

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kodial79
kodial79


Promising
Supreme Hero
How'd Phi's Lov't
posted October 12, 2011 11:42 AM

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Max: - One thing worth noting is that people like this series of widely different reasons, and all have different favorites. Therefore, we have initiated a relationship of trust with the selected group. We showed them among other things an early draft of the skill system, which was much simpler and more like the one in Diablo. The feedback we got was that we missed the series's essence, which are many profound choices and flexibility. So we rejected it.

- You really deleted the whole thing and started all over again?

Max: - Simply! We mixed many of their proposals with the best of our system, and entered into a compromise. Some of the skills you see in the system are in fact direct suggestions from some of our users. We are extremely pleased with their feedback, and have ongoing contact. We have actually flown them over to both gamescom (annual gaming trade show in Cologne, journ.'s note) and this event [Budapest], where we eat dinner together, talk and and let them try the game.



Ubisoft's propaganda...
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KingImp
KingImp


Famous Hero
posted October 12, 2011 11:42 AM

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It wasn't realistic enough.


But a ghost sword swinging in mid-air by itself is realistic?
I would expect such animation from a magic hero, but not a might one.

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Brukernavn
Brukernavn


Famous Hero
posted October 12, 2011 11:44 AM

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Ubisoft's propaganda...

I think it just shows how little they really understand about the Heroes universe and what makes it great. I dread to think of the game we'd have without the VIPs

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kodial79
kodial79


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How'd Phi's Lov't
posted October 12, 2011 11:45 AM
Edited by kodial79 at 11:47, 12 Oct 2011.

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It wasn't realistic enough.


But a ghost sword swinging in mid-air by itself is realistic?
I would expect such animation from a magic hero, but not a might one.



The answer for that, is simple: Incompetence!

They did not know how to sync the Might Hero's attack correctly so they decided to delete it altogether and replace it with this.
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alcibiades
alcibiades

Hero of Order
and Light
posted October 12, 2011 11:47 AM

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Ubisoft's propaganda...
I think it just shows how little they really understand about the Heroes universe and what makes it great. I dread to think of the game we'd have without the VIPs
Well yes, maybe, but frankly the skill system they mention from the early draft sounds to me much better than the current pick-whatever-you-like system which I think is downright lame and one of the major letdowns of the game for me.
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OmegaDestroyer
OmegaDestroyer

Hero of Order
Fox or Chicken?
posted October 12, 2011 11:52 AM

I do not care for the new system either.  I feel it's a step back from Heroes 5, which had a pretty solid skill system.  

I really hope they fixed the catapult line since the beta.  If not, it's worthless.

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kodial79
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How'd Phi's Lov't
posted October 12, 2011 11:59 AM

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I do not care for the new system either.  I feel it's a step back from Heroes 5, which had a pretty solid skill system.  

I really hope they fixed the catapult line since the beta.  If not, it's worthless.


I'll be grateful if they did not replace that too with some crappy magical effect like the might hero's attack...
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Dave_Jame
Dave_Jame


Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
posted October 12, 2011 12:09 PM

Well it is to late to cry over spilled milk now. Its time to finde out how deep "did" they make the system

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Azagal
Azagal


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Smooth Snake
posted October 12, 2011 12:10 PM

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I feel it's a step back from Heroes 5, which had a pretty solid skill system.

I assure you it didnt. Demons with Light Magic? Necromancers with Luck? Fortress with Dark Magic? The list goes on and on and on... The entire skill system was random, which in itself defeats the point of a skill system. I dont know what the new system is like (from what I have read so far it seems to be a bit too generous) but I do know that the old one was a pain in *** and frustrating to no end. You couldnt plan anything, only make good guesses. A nightmare lol.
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kodial79
kodial79


Promising
Supreme Hero
How'd Phi's Lov't
posted October 12, 2011 12:15 PM

The good thing about it, is that in the new system you get to pick which skill to learn. The bad thing is, that the skill trees don't change from faction to faction. This means, for example, that Necropolis Might Heroes still got skills that boost morale which are useless to them, and therefore fewer choices.


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Xerox
Xerox


Promising
Undefeatable Hero
posted October 12, 2011 01:04 PM

Yeah, I thought that they were going for racial diversity - but H5 felt more racially diverse than this game.
I don't like the new skill system either. I think they could have kept a little bit randomness in it.

So the people who are playing the game:

1. How is the campaign?

2. Are there any major gameplay/balance changes that you have noticed?


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OmegaDestroyer
OmegaDestroyer

Hero of Order
Fox or Chicken?
posted October 12, 2011 01:17 PM
Edited by OmegaDestroyer at 13:17, 12 Oct 2011.

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I feel it's a step back from Heroes 5, which had a pretty solid skill system.

I assure you it didnt. Demons with Light Magic? Necromancers with Luck? Fortress with Dark Magic? The list goes on and on and on... The entire skill system was random, which in itself defeats the point of a skill system.


The skill system has been random since skills were introduced in Heroes 2.  Being random does not defeat the point of a skill system at all.  It forced you to adapt and come up with new strategies.  

What is so strange about Demons having light magic?  They had access to healing and resurrection since the third game.  As to the Necromancers with Luck, I'm going to assume you meant Morale, because that makes more sense for your argument.  Even so, morale was always useful to a Necromancer who wanted to mix units.  Dwarfs with Dark Magic?  What's so strange about that?  Good aligned factions have always had access to curses, slow, and what have you since the early games.

Frankly, there were more useful skills in Heroes 5 than there are in 6.  Now we are stuck with filler, like the new ballistics and logistics skills, which are absolute garbage.
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Wckey
Wckey


Famous Hero
posted October 12, 2011 01:19 PM

3. Is the water elemental exactly like spring spirit or it's upgrade? I mean, I'm not pleased with just a simple recoloring with the light elemental, but still it's better than nothing.
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alcibiades
alcibiades

Hero of Order
and Light
posted October 12, 2011 01:19 PM

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I feel it's a step back from Heroes 5, which had a pretty solid skill system.
I assure you it didnt. Demons with Light Magic? Necromancers with Luck? Fortress with Dark Magic? The list goes on and on and on... The entire skill system was random, which in itself defeats the point of a skill system. I dont know what the new system is like (from what I have read so far it seems to be a bit too generous) but I do know that the old one was a pain in *** and frustrating to no end. You couldnt plan anything, only make good guesses. A nightmare lol.
But there were options between the old extreme and the new one, which might have satisfied both groups.
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Avirosb
Avirosb


Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
posted October 12, 2011 01:29 PM

Am I the only one finding the new "tab" interface more troublesome to navigate compared to the the town/hero screens of old?

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Kitten
Kitten


Known Hero
Roar
posted October 12, 2011 01:33 PM

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some errors and impressions from me  Everything is great
The big A2 poster got some errors. It says Dreameaver, Mother Breeder and Blazing glory (no capital on "g") !
The T-shirt is L size  What is that for like, guys at 185cm or so? What about regular girls.
The ring says "Lux dominatoris", what does that mean?
The DVD case says " "special version including +1 Extra hero and +1 extra item. Shouldn't there be 4 extra heroes and 2 extra items as it says in the box? Yume, Kraal Sveltanna and Aguirre + staff of Asha and Staff of cleansing

And the artbook? Is it any good?

The artbook is good, not great but it's enjoyable. It's quite heavy too xD And the faceless is listed as *spoilers*






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I hate spoilers myself. Someone should make a storyline thread for those

That would be great

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Elvin
Elvin

Hero of Order
Stillness within Movement
posted October 12, 2011 01:38 PM

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Ubisoft's propaganda...

Pretty true though. What little I can say about the early skill draft.. Simple and insufficient. Yes the insiders did help a lot in shaping that up though that was before I joined. There were extensive discussions on plenty of matters.
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kodial79
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How'd Phi's Lov't
posted October 12, 2011 01:42 PM

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Ubisoft's propaganda...

Pretty true though. What little I can say about the early skill draft.. Simple and insufficient. Yes the insiders did help a lot in shaping that up though that was before I joined. There were extensive discussions on plenty of matters.


No, not that the insiders helped them fix the skill system but the whole feeling that springs from the interview that Ubisoft cares and listens to the fans.
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Elvin
Elvin

Hero of Order
Stillness within Movement
posted October 12, 2011 01:55 PM

Also true. I mean they have done a number of things to satisfy the fans even if they did not initially plan the game to be this way. Plus much the feedback we give them comes from the communities. If they didn't care they would not have bothered with.. plenty of things really, including some that have yet to be revealed. Let's just say that they took their time a bit
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