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Thread: ~ Heroes 6 - Discussion thread ~ [ This thread is 525 pages long: 1 2 3 4 (5) 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 373 374 375 376 377 378 379 380 381 382 383 384 385 386 387 388 389 390 391 392 393 394 395 396 397 398 399 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 407 408 409 410 411 412 413 414 415 416 417 418 419 420 421 422 423 424 425 426 427 428 429 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 437 438 439 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 461 462 463 464 465 466 467 468 469 470 471 472 473 474 475 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 487 488 489 490 491 492 493 494 495 496 497 498 499 500 501 502 503 504 505 506 507 508 509 510 511 512 513 514 515 516 517 518 519 520 521 522 523 524 525 ]
Nelgirith
Nelgirith


Promising
Supreme Hero
posted September 18, 2010 07:16 AM
Edited by Nelgirith at 07:18, 18 Sep 2010.

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will there be a H4 like system where you can only buy 2 out of 3 core buildings and 2 out of 3 elite buildings for example?

They're trying to balance units among the same category (core and elite) to force us to pick an amount of each. They said that we could pick only one creature per tier but they're trying to make this less interesting than picking a few of each creatures.

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the loss of the initiative system may not be the best idea. will it at least be like in H4? that way we can at least avoid super slow units, it's not because they play late that they can't move far.


Yes, creatures will have an initiative and a speed stat.

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Are you guys really sure the Wastelands are the terrain of necro?

Yes, it's confirmed.

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in some sceenshots i saw that necro heroin walking in the jungle...

And in H5 you could play Zehir in the snow, that didn't make snow the Academy's native terrain It's just a map.

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I read somewhere that would be an 6th campaign, is taht true?

Nope, there will be a final map once we complete the 5 campaigns.

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Danny
Danny


Famous Hero
posted September 18, 2010 09:08 AM

In the screenshots Haven is in the jungle but it's also hinting at snake-like creatures in there, so it's anyone's guess. But I don't see that Academy would get it in the end instead of Haven or a new faction.

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Naze
Naze


Known Hero
posted September 18, 2010 10:44 AM

The autumn plain could perfectly fit to the Elves! The plot of Heroes VI will take place about 400 years before Heroes V, which means around the Second Eclipse. The Dark Elves were "established" just a few years before, and in 566 (two years after the second eclipse) they have burned the Mother of Trees. So what if her death meant, that all the forests of Irollan would suffer of eternal autumn? (or, at least, until a new Mother of Trees is found?).
However, this would imply, that the half-sibling is a half-elf. Thus, the new faction could only be the Dragon Knights, who are also humans. And that would make me quite upset, since I am looking forward to nagas from the times of TotE
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Jiriki9
Jiriki9


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Altar Dweller
posted September 18, 2010 11:55 AM
Edited by Jiriki9 at 11:55, 18 Sep 2010.

I'm not going too deep into the information, since I liek to be surprised by the game a bit, but the glimpses I get are...well - good for ANY game, but a catastophe for heroes, in m eyes. Removing the tier system is unthinkable for me, though reasonable and more realistic and and and and...I do not at all like it for HoMM.
I will try to look at this as a new game, not as Heroes of Might and MAgic, and then I'll maybe like it, but it seems to be not heroes anymore. I did nto ahve this feeling with H4, except for the heroes in battle and the alone-walking armies (which I liked) things. BUt here, many things give me that feeling and I dislike them...

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admira
admira


Promising
Famous Hero
posted September 18, 2010 02:21 PM

I just passed on some book about Chinese Myth, in fact I remembered about some ancient story of beings called Fu XI and Nu Wa, just read the book recently and and lol at how the developer actually creating Naga with Chinese (or Far Eastern, since there are also Japanese cultural references) culture feel rather than Hindu.

Fu Xi
Nu Wa

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LordGodric
LordGodric


Known Hero
The Griffin Rider
posted September 18, 2010 04:58 PM

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Removing the tier system is unthinkable for me, though reasonable and more realistic and and and and...I do not at all like it for HoMM.



indeed, the teir system made HoMM remarkable.
It's good for game balance, and tree tiers is an interesting thing;
Thinking deeply about it... 3 tiers is too few, inst it?

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Geny
Geny


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
The Blue Lady liaison
HC SUPPORTER
posted September 18, 2010 05:00 PM

It's still 7 units (and their upgrades).
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Fauch
Fauch


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
posted September 18, 2010 05:59 PM

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They're trying to balance units among the same category (core and elite) to force us to pick an amount of each. They said that we could pick only one creature per tier but they're trying to make this less interesting than picking a few of each creatures.


not sure I understand. like the summoning portal in H4? when you recruit an unit it decreases the amount of other units available?

wouldn't make much sense if you have a choice between griffins and paladins (and priests I guess)

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Nelgirith
Nelgirith


Promising
Supreme Hero
posted September 18, 2010 06:25 PM

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not sure I understand. like the summoning portal in H4? when you recruit an unit it decreases the amount of other units available?

wouldn't make much sense if you have a choice between griffins and paladins (and priests I guess)

Yes exactly that.

There will be a shared pool for the 3 core creatures another shared pool for the elite creatures and a pool for the champions.

Instead of having 20 archers, 15 pikemen and 10 swordsmen, we'll be able to recruit 45 core creatures and we can choose any combination of those 3 creatures.

External dwellings will boost the corresponding pool.

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MattII
MattII


Legendary Hero
posted September 18, 2010 07:42 PM

Which news batch did you get that from, or did you actually talk to one of the developers?

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War-overlord
War-overlord


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
posted September 18, 2010 08:03 PM

I pretty much deduced that from the hints that Elvin gave about the new tier system. Elvin then confirmed my deduction.
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Nelgirith
Nelgirith


Promising
Supreme Hero
posted September 18, 2010 08:48 PM

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I pretty much deduced that from the hints that Elvin gave about the new tier system. Elvin then confirmed my deduction.


Yep, it's a mix from all the infos we got from the Archangel Castle's preview, Geny's post and Elvin's post (somewhere in the big topic )

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watcher83
watcher83


Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
posted September 18, 2010 09:07 PM

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The way I see it, there are 2 possible campaign scenarios.

Another option that came to my mind is that the Archangel general's ancient enemies are the 6 Demon Overlords, which might lead to him becoming the Sovereign.




I find that to be a great idea, my congrats for that, it just might be it.
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Pahomije
Pahomije


Hired Hero
posted September 19, 2010 10:49 AM

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The way I see it, there are 2 possible campaign scenarios.

Another option that came to my mind is that the Archangel general's ancient enemies are the 6 Demon Overlords, which might lead to him becoming the Sovereign.




I find that to be a great idea, my congrats for that, it just might be it.


Thank you. The trailer kinda hints it. An Angel standing in front of what appear to be demons and losing his wings/turning black. On the other hand, he might be a Faceless (they look similar but are black and are masters of deception after all), and the crowd are not demons but dungeon creatures.
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Danny
Danny


Famous Hero
posted September 19, 2010 11:06 AM

Interesting. Some of those creatures do have a dragon feel, but definitely not "other" Dungeon creatures. However, I don't think that every demon unit will be fiery like the Juggernaut either.

If the Faceless is a high level unit, the Dungeon faction still can be considered as an old faction and they can still include the all new "set in China" faction.

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Fauch
Fauch


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
posted September 19, 2010 12:09 PM

I would expect academy as a faction, it would be surprising to lose the titans.

did they talk about neutral creatures? I guess the black dragon will be neutral, it would be surprising that they get rid of it

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alcibiades
alcibiades

Hero of Order
and Light
posted September 20, 2010 07:56 AM

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I would expect academy as a faction, it would be surprising to lose the titans.

Problem is, pretty much no matter what faction they cut, we ARE going to lose some unit that seems essential to the series.
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watcher83
watcher83


Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
posted September 20, 2010 09:47 AM

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I would expect academy as a faction, it would be surprising to lose the titans.

Problem is, pretty much no matter what faction they cut, we ARE going to lose some unit that seems essential to the series.


just until the expansions
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Danny
Danny


Famous Hero
posted September 20, 2010 09:59 AM
Edited by Danny at 10:00, 20 Sep 2010.

On Facebook M&M page they posted a bit on Haven and also confirmed the "pikeman" unit is Sentinel & Praetorian. Hope they will continue posting like that with the other units!



"The mighty Sentinels are the first line of defenders of the Holy Empire. They are volunteers who have proven their loyalty to the Emperor and their devotion to Elrath. They have sworn an oath to protect their brothers-in-arms with their heavy shield and, if needed, their live. For their own personal protection, they rely entirely on their faith."



"The Praetorian is the upgrade of the Sentinel."

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MattII
MattII


Legendary Hero
posted September 20, 2010 10:23 AM

I like what I see. Hope to see more like this soon.

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