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moonshade
Known Hero
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posted May 20, 2015 03:29 PM |
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My idea..
My Inferno proposal is basically the same as yours, and has a Cultist / Zealot unit with a double purpose: on the one hand it's a spellcaster & semi-shooter (they can cast Firebolt, though they don't have too much mana), but the upgrade can transform into a possessed Dybukk form who is a powerful melee tank- but lacks spells.
I'd suggest keeping Demonologists & just renaming them. It's the same like Druids in Sylvan, Abbots in Haven, Scholars/Magi in Academy & Liches in Necro- unit versions of heroes. Why not, I say?
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Minastir
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted May 24, 2015 12:46 PM |
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Edited by Minastir at 14:47, 24 May 2015.
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moonshade said:
My Inferno proposal is basically the same as yours, and has a Cultist / Zealot unit with a double purpose: on the one hand it's a spellcaster & semi-shooter (they can cast Firebolt, though they don't have too much mana), but the upgrade can transform into a possessed Dybukk form who is a powerful melee tank- but lacks spells.
I'd suggest keeping Demonologists & just renaming them. It's the same like Druids in Sylvan, Abbots in Haven, Scholars/Magi in Academy & Liches in Necro- unit versions of heroes. Why not, I say?
Ok. I'm going to do like you said and keep Demonologists maybe name it Fanatic or Heretic
Also updated Sanctuary, altered line-up a bit
EDIT: and Inferno 
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matrix123mko
Hired Hero
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posted May 24, 2015 09:23 PM |
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Why bald succubus?
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Minastir
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted May 25, 2015 02:58 PM |
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matrix123mko said:
Why bald succubus?
I guess toy don't like Heroes V succubus ?
the one from HVI is better for you ?
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matrix123mko
Hired Hero
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posted May 26, 2015 07:19 AM |
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Yes.
When fortess line-up?
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Mediczero
Famous Hero
Warlord of the sea
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posted May 27, 2015 10:40 AM |
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I just remembered something! If I'm not wrong, female dwarfs are usually not present on the battlefield "But since the Dwarven lines place great stock in heredity and lineage, they guard their women fiercely and only in the most dire emergencies will women join the fray" (https://mmh7.ubi.com/en/blog/post/view/discover-fortress)
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Minastir
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted May 27, 2015 11:01 AM |
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matrix123mko said:
Yes.
When fortess line-up?
Probably today or tomorrow 
Mediczero said:
I just remembered something! If I'm not wrong, female dwarfs are usually not present on the battlefield "But since the Dwarven lines place great stock in heredity and lineage, they guard their women fiercely and only in the most dire emergencies will women join the fray" (https://mmh7.ubi.com/en/blog/post/view/discover-fortress)
oh the lore, the next sentance "That said, she-Dwarves are taught to fight and forge and have the same status and opportunities as any male. " it was created just to support the idea of female dwarf warrior in the possible line-up, I'm all for female rune priest or maybe a shooter but female dwarf warrior wouldn't makes sense because line-up should represent how the usual army of the faction looks like and of course there is more man in the army
#loreusesall
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Mediczero
Famous Hero
Warlord of the sea
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posted May 27, 2015 11:09 AM |
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Minastir said:
oh the lore, the next sentance "That said, she-Dwarves are taught to fight and forge and have the same status and opportunities as any male. " it was created just to support the idea of female dwarf warrior in the possible line-up, I'm all for female rune priest or maybe a shooter but female dwarf warrior wouldn't makes sense because line-up should represent how the usual army of the faction looks like and of course there is more man in the army
#loreusesall
Well I guess thats true. However, I personally think there are better designs than the one currently present. Like this:
Only a suggestion
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Minastir
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted May 29, 2015 09:17 PM |
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Edited by Minastir at 21:20, 29 May 2015.
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Mediczero said:
Minastir said:
oh the lore, the next sentance "That said, she-Dwarves are taught to fight and forge and have the same status and opportunities as any male. " it was created just to support the idea of female dwarf warrior in the possible line-up, I'm all for female rune priest or maybe a shooter but female dwarf warrior wouldn't makes sense because line-up should represent how the usual army of the faction looks like and of course there is more man in the army
#loreusesall
Well I guess thats true. However, I personally think there are better designs than the one currently present. Like this:
Only a suggestion
You know what ? I like it maybe make rune priest female and remove oracle from the line-up and replace with something else, ideas ? anyone ?
PS: Do you have a picture like that but in color ?
EDIT: I'm not sure about this Yeti, what do you guys think ?
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articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted May 29, 2015 09:24 PM |
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Yetis belong in Sanctuary according to Duel of Champions 
As for Dwarven core, how about Goats?
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Minastir
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted May 29, 2015 09:30 PM |
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Edited by Minastir at 22:13, 29 May 2015.
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articun said:
Yetis belong in Sanctuary according to Duel of Champions
As for Dwarven core, how about Goats?
I know that's why I think it should be replaced, just a goat ? there is a battle bear in core and a goat would be as strong as trained bear ? something else
EDIT: Ok, for core I think would be good a big raven/crow, I got the idea from norse mythology, you know the Huginn and Muninn, dwarves would use them as scouts and messengers and sometimes in battle, also the core needed flyer
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articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted May 29, 2015 10:57 PM |
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No... Just no... Not in Fortress anyway
Maybe in Inferno or as neutrals but they seem more like darkness units above all.
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Minastir
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted May 29, 2015 11:08 PM |
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articun said:
No... Just no... Not in Fortress anyway
Maybe in Inferno or as neutrals but they seem more like darkness units above all.
no ? In Inferno ? 
The search for better creature continuous ... 
Fortress is the hardest to make good line-up 
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articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted May 29, 2015 11:22 PM |
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I think it is because we think only of dwarves and it has the least mythology as a Faction. What do they use? What underground units have they tamed? Do they stay underground or do they also like to be outside? Do they make war machines or just imbue weapons with runic power? And they are attuned with fire instead of earth which is strange...
I mean, in Ashan, it seems that the artificer ability Academy had is more suited for them.
The Bear rider i consider to be a joke honestly... Looks cool but unrealistic. Bears are slow creatures, strong yes, but not ride-able.
I could really see Cabirs (they are a form of salamaders) as part of Fortress and not Academy and also Troglodytes.
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Minastir
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted May 29, 2015 11:37 PM |
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Edited by Minastir at 23:47, 29 May 2015.
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articun said:
I think it is because we think only of dwarves and it has the least mythology as a Faction. What do they use? What underground units have they tamed? Do they stay underground or do they also like to be outside? Do they make war machines or just imbue weapons with runic power? And they are attuned with fire instead of earth which is strange...
I mean, in Ashan, it seems that the artificer ability Academy had is more suited for them.
The Bear rider i consider to be a joke honestly... Looks cool but unrealistic. Bears are slow creatures, strong yes, but not ride-able.
I could really see Cabirs (they are a form of salamaders) as part of Fortress and not Academy and also Troglodytes.
'What underground units have they tamed?' I was thinking about this, a creature that digs underground tunnels for them, which they tamed, like a mole creature, something like this:
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20150328002946/evolve/images/thumb/1/19/Evolve-Megamouth_Concept_Art_002.jpg/800px-Evolve-Megamouth_Concept_Art_002.jpg
but why would it be on the battlefield ?
suddenly I would rather have Inferno or Sanctuary for expansion
EDIT: Because probably the line-up for Fortress in expansion except bear, valkyrie and dragon would be just dwarfs ...
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articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted May 30, 2015 10:21 AM |
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Why not be in the battlefield?? Why are Watchers or why were sisters?
Shouldn't those huge tank like units that can dig and barrow and have resistance to blind fight when given the chance?
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Mediczero
Famous Hero
Warlord of the sea
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posted May 30, 2015 04:51 PM |
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MattII
Legendary Hero
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posted May 31, 2015 12:41 PM |
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Edited by MattII at 13:12, 31 May 2015.
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Too universal? Legends abound about boars, all the way from the Celts in Britain, to the Japanese.
Minastir said:
'What underground units have they tamed?' I was thinking about this, a creature that digs underground tunnels for them, which they tamed, like a mole creature, something like this:
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20150328002946/evolve/images/thumb/1/19/Evolve-Megamouth_Concept_Art_002.jpg/800px-Evolve-Megamouth_Concept_Art_002.jpg
but why would it be on the battlefield ?
If you've got a creature that can dig away at rock, you can guarantee it's going to make short work of anyone in mere armour. Speed might be a debatable factor however.
Quote:
EDIT: Because probably the line-up for Fortress in expansion except bear, valkyrie and dragon would be just dwarfs ...
Plus some sort of mine spirit (I used Kobolds). So out of 11 creatures you'd have as non-dwarves, bear, salamander, dragon, and kobold, with question marks over valkyrie, fire giant and jotunn. That 4 or 7 creatures, or maybe even 8 depending on how you classify the brontotherium.
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Mediczero
Famous Hero
Warlord of the sea
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posted May 31, 2015 01:12 PM |
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MattII said:
Too universal? Legends abound about boars, all the way from the Celts in Britain, to the Japanese.
Well you can't deny the fact that it fits pretty well in the faction. Beside, a boar only really fits in sylvan, fortress and a h5-style mountain stronghold...
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Minastir
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted May 31, 2015 01:44 PM |
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articun said:
Why not be in the battlefield?? Why are Watchers or why were sisters?
Shouldn't those huge tank like units that can dig and barrow and have resistance to blind fight when given the chance?
I just assumed you wouldn't like this idea for some reason ok, I think it should replace the yeti in elite, but what would be the name of it ? I have idea but you are better at it 
Mediczero said:
Why not add a boar unit in core?
BTW, better image of the Female dwarf: [url=https://40.media.tumblr.com/5e2a20d8869e0b86bc54a8dd96661743/tumblr_mm2xemAa181rtasqco1_400.jpg[/url]
Thanks, I'm gonna use it (the female dwarf)
MattII said:
Too universal? Legends abound about boars, all the way from the Celts in Britain, to the Japanese.
About the boar, (which would replace the oracle), yeah, I was thinking about it but the boar on it's own would be similar to the bear, maybe with dwarf rider could be better:
https://heirsofdurin.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/slide_3-49b2238fa35452a0f45db76cc61e0d25.jpg
but I think that this line-up needs a flyer in core
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