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markkur
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posted July 12, 2016 08:40 AM

And a fresh wind blows, er, I mean two fresh voices. These two women nail it. Media-dogs and Politicians are indeed dividing us and this should stop now before it's too late.

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posted July 15, 2016 04:08 AM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 04:11, 15 Jul 2016.

It's a security risk because any given person carrying a gun,   not to mention an assault weapon,  could be an accomplice to the cop killer. That's why the police were delayed.

The constitutional basis for guns in general is suspect since it has inconsistent historical backing,  but either way if the Kritarchy commonly known as the United States decides otherwise you'll just have to wait for some future time when the legislature can make an amendment. That day isn't anytime in the near future. We'll have to wait for libertine whites to gradually diminish from the voter base and then,  eventually,  such an amendment will pass.
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Elodin
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posted July 17, 2016 06:00 PM

Another mass shooting of cops.  In Baton Rouge, Louisiana this morning reports are 7 cops shot, with 3 dead according to mayor's office. Scene is still active.

Around 5 days ago 4-5 people were arrested for a plot to kill cops there.

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posted July 17, 2016 09:48 PM

I deleted an extremely insensitive post from kayna. Please try to act with a shred of tact and dignity.
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Kayna
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posted July 17, 2016 10:20 PM

Sure, delete it if you want. But are you ready to delete all post where  people are insensitive toward blacks victim of police brutality?

I was just being honest with my feelings, since I'm a victim of gang stalking, which is arguably a form of police brutality, since a very young age. Maybe what I said was against this forum's EULA, but following your EULA just pushes us in a hypocrite social game of disguising our racism or hatred... I suppose you won't get to delete any posts wrote by people good enough at the social game... *wink*

Ah what the heck. Just delete it. *shrug*. Heck, people can even report me to the authorities if they want. Do you know what cops do in Canada and the US when they want to put you under surveillance, but you're too nice of a guy? They send actors in your life to harass you until you blow a fuse at one of them, then he-she goes to the cops to file a complain, they take that complain to the judge in a court where you're not invited and asks for the right to surveillance. Judges agree 99.9 % of the time.

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Salamandre
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posted July 17, 2016 10:40 PM

More white people are shot by US police than black, every year, every decade, so the race argue is null. Then if you look at such videos testifying of police brutality, you will find obvious that such behaviors are due to low training. US (a lot of them) cops have no physical capability to apprehend a suspect without panicking.

But again, having a gun in US is easier than getting a coca, so I almost understand cops are on their nerves.

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artu
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posted July 17, 2016 10:50 PM

Kayna said:
...since I'm a victim of gang stalking, which is arguably a form of police brutality

Dude, how come you manage to find a way to mention this almost in half of your posts, no matter how irrelevant it is, how is gang stalking arguably a form of police brutality?

I mean, my condolences once again, but it might be a good idea to try to get over it.
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posted July 17, 2016 11:02 PM

Salamandre said:
But again, having a gun in US is easier than getting a coca


maybe because having will always be easier than getting?

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posted July 17, 2016 11:16 PM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 23:27, 17 Jul 2016.

I'm going to refute Salamandre simply because that's one of my favorite things to do, but there's several points here to mention.

1) The numbers argument doesn't mean anything. More whites get shot by police than any other artifically-constructed racial demographic, but whites are the majority in most of the country, and proportionately there's about 3 times as many blacks that get shot as whites. What "black" means is hard to say since European and African genitalia have been introducing themselves to each other for centuries in the American continents: 75%, 50%, 25%, tanned, I don't know how the statistics are tallied up, but the margin rests heavily on the darker-skinned population.

2) No, this doesn't necessarily mean the cops are being racist on an institutional level. That's the reasoning of a child. Black communities are a disenfranchised subculture and pretty much every form of crime is often fairly ubiquitous in these poorer communities. You don't need to ask the police because the people living there are very zealous to point this out.

3) To partially counter this, regular street cops are heavily compromised of high-strung, eye-for-an-eye males in a modest income job. I don't find incidents of individual prejudice to be surprising.

4) I have no idea how they're objectively going to go about determining racism by the police except how you always do it: on a case by case basis. Anything more is a 21st century Salem witch hunt against people that pick a law enforcement career. Some of the media is working overtime to try to incite hate crime but I don't think their efforts will pay off.



And Kayna, forgive me if this is patronizing, but if whatever happened with your past upsets you so much you should really pursue someway to come to peace with it or it's going to take several years off of your life. People are always going to report you for those kind of posts if you're going to go on a power trip about public servants getting murdered.
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posted July 17, 2016 11:22 PM

Cops put their lives on the line every day on every situation they are called to go to and every traffic stop they make.  Now simply by putting on their uniform they are endangered.

If cops have to roam in squads of a dozen or more to defend themselves that will slow down response time to 911 calls and result in fewer areas being patrolled.

Cops keep law & order in our societies. If you see a cop this week thank him, buy him a cup of coffee or pay for his lunch. Civilization needs cops and law enforcement deserves our respect and grattitude.
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Minion
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posted July 17, 2016 11:23 PM

Salamandre said:
More white people are shot by US police than black, every year, every decade, so the race argue is null.


*rolls eyes*

PolitiFact concluded that more whites than blacks had been killed by police from 1999-2011. PolitiFact points out, however, that blacks only make up 12% of the population. By breaking down racial populations it would appear black men are at a 3.5 times greater risk of being killed by police.
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artu
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posted July 17, 2016 11:31 PM

Salamandre said:
More white people are shot by US police than black, every year, every decade, so the race argue is null.

Not exactly, black people are like 13 percent of the population, so overall, of course number of white people getting shot will be higher. However, when it comes to criminal statistics, black people make up like half of the convictions, the sociological reasons behind this is not my focus at the moment. Now, the protests are about UNARMED black people getting shot significantly more regularly than UNARMED white people.

In today's U.S., I don't predict that your average police officer would be racist in the sense that he joins Ku Klux Klan meetings or believe that black people are categorically inferior etc. But the disproportionate  ratio of blacks in population and ratio of blacks among criminals, obviously creates an occupational reflex in cops. They are more likely to mistake an unarmed black person for armed, compared to mistaking a white unarmed man for armed. For instance, in the last video I watched, the black guy who got shot dead was in a car, sitting next to his girlfriend, the girl was crying "he was just reaching for his license and registration, sir." Probably, the officer yelled something like "put your hands where I can see them" but it got lost in the heat of the moment. But if the guy in the car was a white man in a shiny suit, he wouldn't be so hasty to pull the trigger. Racism isn't necessarily ideological or deliberate, sometimes it's just unjustified -and arguably subconscious- profiling.

And of course, getting shot is just the most extreme example and tip of the iceberg, they are probably facing more police harassment in many situations and are fed up with it. Not that this, by any means, justifies randomly shooting police officers in return.
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Kayna
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posted July 17, 2016 11:45 PM
Edited by Kayna at 23:50, 17 Jul 2016.

My gang stalking isn't a thing of the past. It's still ongoing, and will most likely last my entire life. Might as well laugh at it and say stupid snow at this point. After more than 20 years of it, I will certainly not believe someone that tells me "act nice and they will stop".

To go back on the subject, I find the comparison between cop on black crime and black on black crime to be a flimsy one, if not invalid. When you make a comparison, you want to isolate as many variables as possible, and also keep the main point on each side.

The black lives matter movement is, at the core, not about black people, but about bad cops getting away with their crimes at a 99 % rate. It just so happens that blacks are targeted more than other races so they're the ones speaking out about it. When a black person commits a crime on another black, the victim can call the police or get a lawyer and get justice about, let's say, 50 % of the time ( creating a number here for the sake of argument ). The comparison of state protected crime versus basic crime between two nobodies is simply too flimsy. I think that if cops were prosecuted like normal people are, the black lives matter movement might not even exist.

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Salamandre
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posted July 17, 2016 11:45 PM

Minion said:

*rolls eyes*
PolitiFact concluded that more whites than blacks had been killed by police from 1999-2011. PolitiFact points out, however, that blacks only make up 12% of the population. By breaking down racial populations it would appear black men are at a 3.5 times greater risk of being killed by police.


Well, if you start me on statistics, let me remember you that black people make 12% of population but are 50% of jails population, which simply means black people are dozens of time more likely to commit crimes and felonies (I am too lazy to do the maths for the correct percentage).

And now lets see how everyone will start saying again "numbers means nothing".

And artu, a reflex can be also conditioned by survival instinct. When you get hurt by a let's say a pit bull 15 times in 20 encounters with dogs, next time you see one, you will think twice before stroke it.
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Kayna
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posted July 17, 2016 11:54 PM
Edited by Kayna at 23:55, 17 Jul 2016.

Salamandre said:


Well, if you start me on statistics, let me remember you that black people make 12% of population but are 50% of jails population, which simply means black people are dozens of time more likely to commit crimes and felonies (I am too lazy to do the maths for the correct percentage).



You could only be right if everyone in our governments were perfect and doing things by the book. What if they target black guys a lot in the first place? What if cops only bother to stop sport cars driven by young men wearing caps, won't they end up as 50 % of your prison sample? Any sane driver does not wear a cap while driving, you know that ( lol ).

If you do some stats, black people might end up a tad above than other races crime statistic wise, although that's probably more related to a poor versus rich thing than anything else.

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artu
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posted July 17, 2016 11:57 PM

Police shooting unarmed people is not "a caution" that can be taken as lightly as "not stroking a pitbull" though, is it. Obviously, you can't pull a chair and tell the black community "look, we know we sometimes shoot innocent people among you, but hey, there are too many criminals from your race, so just learn to live with it. Cheers."  

And just for the kicks of it:
Pit bull advocates and some experts say the dogs get a bad rap. They say the dogs are not inherently aggressive, but in many cases suffer at the hands of irresponsible owners drawn to the dog's macho image who encourage aggression for fighting and protection.

Indeed, the ASPCA web site gives the breed an endorsement that could fit a golden retriever. It says, A well-socialized and well-trained pit bull is one of the most delightful, intelligent, and gentle dogs imaginable.

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Salamandre
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posted July 18, 2016 12:15 AM

Kayna said:

What if they target black guys a lot in the first place?


This kind of belief has triggered a lot of blood and destruction, at least in France -moreover you have not a single proof to build your accusation. When you starts to ignore statistics and pull the compassionate card by saying statistics create more statistics because the sake of, you simply turn in a vicious circle.

Look here in France, 100% of terrorists were Arabs. A smart man will say "pay attention at Arabs, survey them, watch out and report if suspicious activity" but then a lot of worthless leftists cuckolds reminded us the human rights and how discrimination is a racist thing. Result: when people see a suspicious guy of African race, they will watch away in fear of being labeled a racist, Islamophobic or whatever.

And this is how the 3 US soldiers could save tens of lives while french chickens were meditating "to do it or not to do it", in the train terrorist attack. Those youngsters had the combat experience, and they didn't fudge for long.

And btw, while we are on US mass shootings, the only 100% accurate racist attack was the one against white cops done by black snipers, as they were very vocal and precise about their motivations. Funny that  no one reminds it.
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posted July 18, 2016 12:23 AM

artu said:
Pit bull advocates and some experts


meh, again your experts, I can find thousands saying the opposite and you know this is not a joke. Pit-bull is a killer, some indeed may be gentle -I've seen people breeding tigers as well, but those dogs are unpredictable and incredible powerful, when they seize a prey, they will never let it go unless you kill the dog.

We read about lethal attacks from pit-bulls almost every month in the news. We are so obsessed by the dark side of our natural instincts that we now deny animals having them as well.
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posted July 18, 2016 12:41 AM

Lol. It's wonderful that you base your objection on your own pit bull analogy. Some dog types can indeed be more aggressive than others, although the infamous reputation of the pit bull is certainly overblown. Racial traits in humans are not such a thing, though. And you can not categorize their criminal behavior on a racial premise. A certain minority under some social conditions can have higher crime rate, due to poverty, ideology, oppression, historical background etc. But as law enforcement it is your responsibility to not shoot the innocent, unarmed ones despite that. I can understand being more cautious according to your experience, however, shooting someone unarmed is not being extra careful and it's a big issue if it's a pattern rather than a one-time accident.
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posted July 18, 2016 01:09 AM

I have no wish to categorize criminal behavior on a racial premise, actually I don't care, I just want the law to be applied.

People bickering about blacks, arabs, klingons being over criminalized and over punished should only ask themselves one thing: are those people put in jail on valid accusations or not? As far as I know, justice is rather independent in civilized countries so if one criminal, be it black, yellow, blue or white is put in prison because he harmed someone, I wouldn't bring my cerise with the racial obsession.

If those anti-white justiciars want so much to see same number of white as blacks on the electric chair, up to them to do some crime then have an orgasm while being apprehended.

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