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Thread: Can we now say H7 is the worst heroes ever? This thread is 14 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 · «PREV / NEXT»
yogi
yogi


Promising
Famous Hero
of picnics
posted January 09, 2017 09:05 PM

Mediczero said:
I recently got my hands on Heroes II, and so far it is the best heroes I've played.


welcome to the fold

i still play h2 almost as much as hota; i just wish it had the ui enhancements of h3, and an rmg.

https://pyszotok.wordpress.com/2015/10/25/the-disenchantment-of-the-heroes/
h3 is one of the most brilliant games ever made, but h2 is a master work of art.
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AlexSpl
AlexSpl


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Supreme Hero
posted January 09, 2017 09:12 PM

H7 was not just the worst installment. It also, along with H6, had stolen from us the whole decade of new heroes experience

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Mediczero
Mediczero


Famous Hero
Warlord of the sea
posted January 09, 2017 09:24 PM

On the topic of H3 and H2:
While in terms of sheer gameplay H3 is superior (only second to H5 with exspansions), I do find H2 to be the better game. Simple fact, the atmosphere and feeling of H2 is just greater and overshadow the gameplay improvements of H3. In my opinion H3's shift to to darker, more realistic visuals where a bad call as the game no longer feels as... magical. I also agree with most of the points made in the article you linked, save for some stuff about balancing. I suppose this is a proof of how important a good atmosphere is.
Ahh, I suddenly feel a surge of inspiration...

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JollyJoker
JollyJoker


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Undefeatable Hero
posted January 09, 2017 10:01 PM

Consider me on the same boat.

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Galaad
Galaad

Hero of Order
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posted January 10, 2017 11:53 AM

Mediczero said:
Simple fact, the atmosphere and feeling of H2 is just greater and overshadow the gameplay improvements of H3. In my opinion H3's shift to to darker, more realistic visuals where a bad call as the game no longer feels as... magical.


Yes, this is why some people are working on H3 Succession Wars.

While I agree h2's visuals are more magical, h3 still looks magical. And now with Era and Fred's object patch, you can eventually get some of that vibe back.

Ubisoft went even more into the "realistic" vibe, while I agree h2's visuals are superior to any other, I would also say h3 looks much much more magical than say, the Ashan games.

Now before Antalyan jumps at me I will add a thousand IMOs in the post.
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Salamandre
Salamandre


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posted January 10, 2017 01:10 PM

Heroes 2 editor is much poorer then objects can only be placed one per square. Due to such restrictions, there is not much difference between vanilla H2 maps and top custom maps, you are very limited in color variations, lands/forests blending and transitions between areas. In H3 you can use multiple objects on same square, hide parts of objects, specify state of object -upper/under, therefore for once you get a huge difference between poorly designed vanilla maps and creative mapmakers taking their time. For me, due to such enhanced editor, H3 can reach mesmerizing designs I never found in Heroes 2.

I prefer H2 town screens and overall music tracks over H3, though.
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Mediczero
Mediczero


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Warlord of the sea
posted January 10, 2017 01:44 PM

Galaad said:
Yes, this is why some people are working on H3 Succession Wars.

While I agree h2's visuals are more magical, h3 still looks magical. And now with Era and Fred's object patch, you can eventually get some of that vibe back.

Ubisoft went even more into the "realistic" vibe, while I agree h2's visuals are superior to any other, I would also say h3 looks much much more magical than say, the Ashan games.

Now before Antalyan jumps at me I will add a thousand IMOs in the post.

Well part of the problem with H3 is the fact that they choose to go for a realistic vibe. The game just feels more grey regardless because of that compared to the cheerful H2. H6 and H7 seven have the same problems too I'll admit, but not to same degree, yet it wouldn't really be the case with H5.

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kiryu133
kiryu133

Hero of Order
Highly illogical
posted January 10, 2017 02:05 PM

I prefer H3 visuals as I think they hit the perfect balance between "realism" and "kinda goofy fairytale". When it comes to armies clashing in warfare and stuff, H2 don't quite cut it. You need some of that realism.
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PandaTar
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posted January 10, 2017 02:21 PM

Mediczero said:
On the topic of H3 and H2:
While in terms of sheer gameplay H3 is superior (only second to H5 with exspansions), I do find H2 to be the better game. Simple fact, the atmosphere and feeling of H2 is just greater and overshadow the gameplay improvements of H3. In my opinion H3's shift to to darker, more realistic visuals where a bad call as the game no longer feels as... magical. I also agree with most of the points made in the article you linked, save for some stuff about balancing. I suppose this is a proof of how important a good atmosphere is.


Got there finally, eh? H2 is my preferred and my senses around H3 were pretty much like what you mentioned, back when it was released. Although Ghosts (and some also says about Genies) were really OP, I did enjoy H2 the most due its unbalanced vibe and magical feel. Genies were simply so cool that way. Weak top tier units, which could bring some luck all of a sudden, dreaded much more than Mighty Gorgons would ever be.
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verriker
verriker


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Legendary Hero
Jonny Come Sometime
posted January 10, 2017 02:51 PM

I thought H3 was a firm upgrade in all of that to be honest, I like the fantasy realism and the leathery classical style atmosphere a bit more than the fairy tale style (though it is obviously a lot better than Erwin's plagiarism and excesses), especially the heroes portraits of H2 look jarringly thrown together (because they are) lol

I think H2 has more of the ingredients of a good game on paper though because it is more compact and easy to balance while H3 is easier to break, although the imbalance is part of the fun lol
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artu
artu


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My BS sensor is tingling again
posted January 10, 2017 03:05 PM

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The game just feels more grey regardless because of that compared to the cheerful H2. H6 and H7 seven have the same problems too I'll admit, but not to same degree, yet it wouldn't really be the case with H5.

H5 is much worse looking than H3, I can understand people preferring H2 to H3, although I don't, but preferring H5 is just tasteless. There are some "ideas" in H5 that could have improved the game, but in the end, with an overall perspective, they didn't. H3 experience is still magical and it's almost endless even without the so many modes, (put aside the fun of using 2D map editor), while H5 gets repetitive real quick.
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LucPatenaude
LucPatenaude


Famous Hero
Owning all 6 Heroes games
posted January 10, 2017 05:50 PM

To bluntly answer the topic thread's question: No.

It only needs a state-of-the-art computer that only enthusiasts of such medium of technology can afford.

Plus that it can, still, use Direct X 9.29.xxxx when it comes to graphics interface. But, with the GPU power of a Direct X 12 capable Video card and, plenty of RAM to spare.

In other words, a very powerful gamer's rig that can still use a much older graphics interface such as Direct X 9.29(9.0d). Unless you happen to still use Windows 8.1 with its Direct X 11 in its own installation and configuration of a database.

Other than that, the game is still enjoyable as long as you have successfully reserved yourself a whole day in order to play it rather alone against AI players or, online multiplayer.

BTW: Happy New Year to everyone still visiting these forum threads(web-site).


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magnomagus
magnomagus


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modding wizard
posted January 10, 2017 05:54 PM

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H5 is much worse looking than H3, I can understand people preferring H2 to H3, although I don't, but preferring H5 is just tasteless. There are some "ideas" in H5 that could have improved the game, but in the end, with an overall perspective, they didn't. H3 experience is still magical and it's almost endless even without the so many modes, (put aside the fun of using 2D map editor), while H5 gets repetitive real quick.


First H2 and H5 have both colorful and cartoonish graphics so obviously people would prefer them for similar reasons.

Second there is no reason to put "ideas" between quotations and in the end they definately improved the game a whole lot.

All gamemechanics from H5 are clones or extensions of H3 mechanics so the game can impossibly have repetitive elements that were not already in H3. Not liking the graphics has nothing to do with repetition.
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Galaad
Galaad

Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
posted January 10, 2017 06:28 PM

magnomagus said:
H2 and H5 have both colorful and cartoonish graphics so obviously people would prefer them for similar reasons.


Unmodded H5 looks like Warcraft, the art direction has nothing to do with the one from H2. If H3 looks different than H2, H5 and further look alien to the brand.
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alcibiades
alcibiades


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of Gold Dragons
posted January 10, 2017 06:30 PM

Call me tasteless then, but I liked the looks of H5. I think the townscreens were amazing, and the overall game looked good.

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Galaad
Galaad

Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
posted January 10, 2017 06:34 PM

alcibiades said:
Call me tasteless then


Tasteless.

I agree about townscreens though, especially Academy one which was (and still is) fantastic.
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magnomagus
magnomagus


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posted January 10, 2017 06:41 PM

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Unmodded H5 looks like Warcraft, the art direction has nothing to do with the one from H2. If H3 looks different than H2, H5 and further look alien to the brand.


I strongly believe there is a large group of people in this world that has a positive reaction in the brain to colorful graphics (similar to how people often prefer sunlight to cloudy weather). I have also noticed there are in general a huge amount of desaturated games on the market and a lot of them have 'restore color' mods made for them by players.

Your 'alien to the brand' viewpoint makes no sense to me, back in the days H3 came out you could argue for the same reason the graphics were alien to the brand compared to H1&2 and the old Kings Bounty. To me H5 looks like 'H2 3d' not 'H3 3d'. H4 was also very colorful. All in all I find H3 most 'alien to the brand' graphics it has more Disciples atmosphere.
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Galaad
Galaad

Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
posted January 10, 2017 06:46 PM

You're talking from a technical point of view, while I'm talking about the artistic direction, colorful or not is irrelevant here.
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magnomagus
magnomagus


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modding wizard
posted January 10, 2017 06:55 PM

I was responding to Artu who did not understand peoples preference for H5 graphics, in that perspective all visual aspects are relevant.

Also since when is there no relation between use of color and artistic direction?
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LizardWarrior
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Age of erwins is over
posted January 10, 2017 07:02 PM

I think Galaad is talking about the cartoonish proportions and lack of realistic anatomy, rather than color palette.
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