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Doomforge
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posted June 01, 2021 10:27 PM |
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NimoStar said:
Every argument is still "muh creature bank at a single map template"... my god.
I didn't create the meta, I merely mention it. You know HOTA is multiplayer-heavy, right?
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E1ChuRIch
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posted June 02, 2021 08:54 AM |
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Would it be too OP if they give Hydra self regeneration/ressurection ability (like they have im H5)?
Sure they have no enemy retal and they attack multiple creatures but they are terribly slow for lvl 7 creature and feel below average like the town they come from.
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Phoenix4ever
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Heroes is love, Heroes is life
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posted June 02, 2021 09:03 AM |
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Regeneration would be very fitting for both hydras.
There is lore about hydras regrowing severed heads, so makes sense.
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Doomforge
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Retired Hero
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posted June 02, 2021 09:41 AM |
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E1ChuRIch said:
Would it be too OP if they give Hydra self regeneration/ressurection ability (like they have im H5)?
Sure they have no enemy retal and they attack multiple creatures but they are terribly slow for lvl 7 creature and feel below average like the town they come from.
It wouldn't matter much, and Fortress is not a "below average" town, it's perfectly fine as it is.
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E1ChuRich
Adventuring Hero
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posted June 02, 2021 10:13 AM |
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It wouldn't matter much, and Fortress is not a "below average" town, it's perfectly fine as it is.
Fine, Fortress may be fine but Hydra def. is below average
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Ghost
Undefeatable Hero
Therefore I am
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posted June 02, 2021 04:55 PM |
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@Phoenix
I'm fooled. No good artifact. Example of Walking Zombie.
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phoenix4ever
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posted June 02, 2021 05:52 PM |
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Ghost said:
@Phoenix
I'm fooled. No good artifact. Example of Walking Zombie.
Try to read my suggestion again, Ghost...
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Ghost
Undefeatable Hero
Therefore I am
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posted June 02, 2021 06:35 PM |
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Yes I see now you wrote "(Minimum speed should never go lower than 2, even combined with Slow.)" True killer. WoG Artillery also reduces speed. So players know your artifacts are OP.
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Phoenix4ever
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posted June 02, 2021 06:46 PM |
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I don't see how they are OP, when the +speed artifacts exists and they have no limit, unlike my negative speed artifacts.
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evildustructor
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posted June 03, 2021 12:59 AM |
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hydras are already very useful as split army on most templates considering their cost and the fact that they are in fortress (no morale penalty with wyvs, swamp movement, effective bank killing). ofc theyre bad stat wise, but that is completely beside the point - they are primarily used as side army or early bank fodder, in which they are actually good at
it's not even that uncommon in templates like h3dm where a single hydra could come in handy as fortress, opening a side biome earlier or taking important side fights even with trash heroes. regeneration is kind of an absurd buff considering how useful even wights are in taking side fights vs lower lvl units, this would make hydras too good in their context tbh so much better it's insane, and fighting hydra breaks are also going to be so much mroe annoying with their hp
changing the abilities (granting such heavy buffs) of units too much feels like it is kind of out of the balance spectrum the hota crew was going for all these years idk. direct town balance would differ from template to template, but individually hydras would carry fights to the extreme, almost angel morale kiting level lol. full hp reg is at least kind of too much
also @phoenix: man, the idea of -speed artifacts is completely broken and change how you do fights, which fights you can take on etc completely, at least you could hide your trolling attempts a bit better if you want to keep going  theres a reason why slow is still the best spell in the game no question even after nerfs, why mullich is banned and why +speed arties are rly good esp for slow units while creeping or fb/late game pvp
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Every argument is still "muh creature bank at a single map template"... my god.
hahaha whats wrong+
i can do this trick too
"muh holy game!!! we should ban adventure map objects the developers intended to put in the game because i dont know how to fight them wtf muh single player nostalgia baby experience!" my god
jk obv dont take it personally the online playerbase is a big part in keeping the game alive, 99% of mp lobbies are started with normal templates with creature banks in them, it's the templates without banks that are pretty weird imo
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Phoenix4ever
Legendary Hero
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posted June 03, 2021 07:50 AM |
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@evildustructor
Nobody said anything about full hp regeneration for hydras.
Regeneration does'nt work like that, it can restore up to 50 hp per round and that's it.
Please tell me why negative speed artifacts would be OP, if speed even with Slow can never go below 2 and they use the same slots as the +speed artifacts.
I agree with Sir Mullich being banned, what about Haste and Prayer specialists though, I am not sure about these...
Enough about creature banks already, they are becoming even more stale and boring every time they are mentioned. 
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Salamandre
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Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted June 03, 2021 12:07 PM |
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You are a single player, why does that bother you? These guys obviously prefer to fuel a large MP active community by giving them what they want. Anyway, vanilla game has so much richness, to which Hota added much more - faction, dwellings, skills, heroes, wonderful decorative objects, proposing endless possibilities and ways to keep enthusiasm for the creative mapmakers, like no before.
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Doomforge
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Retired Hero
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posted June 03, 2021 01:48 PM |
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Phoenix4ever said:
Enough about creature banks already, they are becoming even more stale and boring every time they are mentioned.
JO is nice for peeps who don't like what the current meta offers
Banks increase the tempo/momentum of the game which is always a positive thing when playing with another human
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Ghost
Undefeatable Hero
Therefore I am
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posted June 03, 2021 02:28 PM |
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@Phoenix
Letter:
"The HotA Crew (a semi-official name of the team) also claims the project to be heavily multiplayer-oriented. In other words, HotA is designed to become an ultimate version of Heroes III for online gaming. There are some tournaments being maintained by the team and the wide gaming community."
I'm also not sure about Forge, another letter said Factory is Forge. Ok Cathedral and Kronverk are also coming. It means more banks.
If you want be single, we recommend the WoG/ERA. Sal can help you! Example of scripts, and then you play all maps about one script. Only you need to enabled or disabled. WoG/ERA AI is much better. Ok you can also play HotA objects with. No problem.
I talked about single and MP by combination. So your speed penalty artifacts are OP. You must understand also us.
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Doomforge
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posted June 03, 2021 04:45 PM |
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Yeah, what about the Cathedral and Kronverk?
I find those two brilliantly done visually when it comes to roster, but "thematically heavy" which is more like what you'd expect from a HOMM5 town, not a HOMM3 one.
Kronverk is mostly dwarves, dwarves, and more dwarves - it feels a lot like HOMM5's Dwarven town. Similar styles. I'd say I wouldn't be overly impressed by a town where most troops are some variation - just look at the screenshot - a basic dwarf, a shield dwarf, a dwarf wielding axe, a dwarf wielding a sword, a magic casting dwarf, a rhino riding dwarf, and my favorite thing to lol about - a giant dwarf (where's the tiny giant unit to balance it out?)
Three shooters seems interesting tho.
Cathedral, eh, mostly humans. A lot of people complain already that Castle is boring, so I don't think it would work well. I'm pretty sure that the shooters got absorbed into the Factory because they have a similar design to Bounty Hunters.
Then again, with interesting special abilities both towns could work. I'd give Cathedral a slight edge. Those wyverns look great, and the top tier is what I presume to be a Fallen Angel or something, looks great.
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FirePaladin
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DoR Modder
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posted June 03, 2021 06:32 PM |
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@Ghost
Factory =/= Forge. Some may see it as a compromise, but it's really not.
Cathedral and Kronverk were scrapped, it's just that a source on heroes3towns, presumably a member of HotA, said that HotA team has an incomplete private Cathedral version, which is more like an overhaul of the older one (more precisely, they've remade it to a good extent).
Though from HotA itself, no news about actually adding any of those to HotA in the foreseeable future (or any future).
As for the visual quality of Kronverk, it isn't the best, and I'm saying this from experience; I can clearly see the reasons why it was scrapped, which include creature and overall town design, lore, etc.; not like HotA is really heavy on the lore side, though the dwarves were stretching it.
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Ghost
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Therefore I am
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posted June 03, 2021 07:05 PM |
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@FirePaladin
I know.. I think if Forge, it means other also come with. Result what? Very long time. WoG letter said Factory is Forge by april 1 day, now's June. Just a joke and old thing.
@Doomforge
Maybe 2008 I wanted playing HotA due to snow people, etc no download found. Then I loved Cove, but game is a bug version. I got my vision is HotA. Then Factory came, and it doesn't match/suitable for HotA name. So computer broke.. Now I don't play, even if I have a HotA install. A week ago I tried to install and play HotA again. I hope snow people are along yet. I never knew about Cathedral, I thought VCMI. Ok now I want every one team also Forge.
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Doomforge
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posted June 03, 2021 08:29 PM |
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Well, that's a slight bummer. I think Cathedral could've been a fine addition with some tuning. Kronverk I'm not a big fan of.
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zmudziak22
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posted June 03, 2021 09:52 PM |
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Cathedral could work in similar way as H5 red Haven or Heroes 6 Inquisitions.
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Hourglass
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posted June 03, 2021 10:15 PM |
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Doomforge said:
Well, that's a slight bummer. I think Cathedral could've been a fine addition with some tuning. Kronverk I'm not a big fan of.
I think both towns would have a lot of potential, it's good to keep mind that the screens and sprites are way over 10 years old at this point. I'm fairly confident they wouldn't release a simple "dwarf town" or "evil castle, it's just not very exiting.
I don't expect either town to become reality, I guess it was a good thing I wasn't around here around 2010, so I never got hyped about those towns.
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