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Phoenix4ever
Phoenix4ever


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posted October 25, 2023 07:37 AM
Edited by Phoenix4ever at 07:41, 25 Oct 2023.

Well good for you, that won't work in my map though.
Have you tried attacking a fully build Castle (not the faction) it only takes a few rounds to lose hundreds of nymphs from the arrow towers.
AI often targets your weakest units, so they always takes a beating. They also get blasted with spells and the AI will often hit and run them, if it knows it's gonna lose a battle.
Level 1 specialists are not worth it, except for Galthran and perhaps the units they bring for early game.

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Ghost
Ghost


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Therefore I am
posted October 25, 2023 02:09 PM

Phoenix4ever said:
Well good for you, that won't work in my map though.


Why? Of course, depend on map.. Not your only map! Stop plays the only map!
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Ghost
Ghost


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posted October 26, 2023 03:27 PM

And a few days ago, I noticed small twitch heroes 3 picture showed 1 between 3 or 4 level Cassiopeia with her splitted pack Nymphs or Oceanids against splitted horde Fire Elementals.. Unknown player.. Ok I haven't watched video, but I don't get it how can be realized.. Great skilful player
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Rumeur
Rumeur

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posted November 14, 2023 07:12 PM

Hello all,

Necropolis has always been overpowered in vanilla because of its faction skill - Necromancy. Inferno, Tower & Fortress are still underpowered nowadays with HotA (even if it is better than vanilla) - and without increasing flat stats, increasing growth or reducing costs of units from these towns there are not so many ways to balance them (unless you plan to add alternative creatures like HoMM4 as soon as possible). Ild say Conflux is the perfect counter-example of such balancing limits - really strong creatures but nothing really special

Adding faction skills could be a way to add more diverse playstyles as well as a better way to balance towns without increasing or decreasing flat stats, while still being lore friendly.

Some ideas :
Castle : Retaliation (Increase retaliation damage)
Inferno : Gating (Like HoMM V - Active ability to "duplicate" stacks)
Necropolis : Necromancy (Raise undead killed enemies after a fight)
Rampart : Revenge (Chose specific faction to deal more damage to them through a new town building OR Deal additional damages to units based on their kill counts during the fight)
Dungeon : Shroud of Darkness (Buildings you own are surrounded by fog of war next turn + your creature numbers are stealthed until they attack or get attacked + your path become fog of war after your turn)
Tower : Magic focus ? (Reduce magic resistances ?)
Stronghold : Blood Rage (Like HoMM V)
Fortress : Hive Mind ? (Deal additional damage when your creatures focus a same ennemy ?)
Conflux : ??? - this town feels anyway so random and is already so strong
Cove : Cannon ability ???
Factory : Magic dimming (Increase magic resistances) - I don't know the lore so maybe not fitting

Also, some faction could have a specific war machine like Cove or none (maybe for Conflux), and a dedicated ability if suiting.

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Wolfnacht
Wolfnacht

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posted November 19, 2023 12:26 AM

Rumeur said:

*bunch of ideas*


I really like the skill system in H5, but what you're proposing strays too far from the vanilla feeling of the mod. Neither the devs nor the majority of community would want such a drastic change. Some people don't like the idea of two level 7 units already.
Rumeur said:

Also, some faction could have a specific war machine like Cove or none (maybe for Conflux), and a dedicated ability if suiting.


This sounds better to me, personally I'd gladly see conflux with a more thematically fitting ballista alternative, like some sort of magic cannon/magic stone floating in the air, like the fireball cannon from Last Epoch: https://imgur.com/a/fBidxxy

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bloodsucker
bloodsucker


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posted November 19, 2023 10:29 AM

Phoenix4ever said:
Well good for you, that won't work in my map though.
Have you tried attacking a fully build Castle (not the faction) it only takes a few rounds to lose hundreds of nymphs from the arrow towers.

I didn't said I attacked him inside his castle... The fool took me for granted and attacked me outside. I had Slow and Blind, he didn't had Tactics...
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Dydzio
Dydzio


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posted November 19, 2023 09:49 PM
Edited by Dydzio at 21:52, 19 Nov 2023.

Rumeur said:
Bunch of ideas


To anybody with similar ideas, including "army wages that take gold daily" and other stuff... there are basically 0% changes for such changes to be in hota, philosophy of hota is no flip switches for controversial changes, classic H3-like gameplay, and on top of that pvp community has pretty high voting power for stuff landing in hota (with compatibility for popular random map templates like jebus, duel, 6lm10a, firewalk, h3dm1 etc. in mind), so you suggest ideas to wrong project to begin with.

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Rumeur
Rumeur

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posted November 19, 2023 10:53 PM

Dydzio said:
Rumeur said:
Bunch of ideas


To anybody with similar ideas, including "army wages that take gold daily" and other stuff... there are basically 0% changes for such changes to be in hota, philosophy of hota is no flip switches for controversial changes, classic H3-like gameplay, and on top of that pvp community has pretty high voting power for stuff landing in hota (with compatibility for popular random map templates like jebus, duel, 6lm10a, firewalk, h3dm1 etc. in mind), so you suggest ideas to wrong project to begin with.


You obviously did not get the point.

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Panda_Tar
Panda_Tar


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posted November 20, 2023 06:21 PM
Edited by Panda_Tar at 18:25, 20 Nov 2023.

Just sprang into my mind, I was thinking on the Navigation skill, which is so dependable on map design and heroes who start with the Navigation skill. I'm not sure how many of these there are in the Cove (just saw here there are only 2 heroes in the whole game?) still, I was thinking on the fact that the town could provide Navigation skill in one of its building for 500 or 1000 gold, as a bonus perk, considering the role of this town is so tied up with navigation. So, when there are indeed large bodies of water, it would be a provided advantage to highlight such theme.

This might have been probably discussed aplenty already. It was just something that just crossed my mind and I thought it wouldn't hurt to mention.

Anyway, have a nice week! SQUEEE!

P.S.: Oh, I would throw in a similar situation regarding Necropolis's Necromancy. Necromancy skill could be taught in a certain building at the town, with highly nuanced costs depending on which faction the hero belongs to.
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