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Kipshasz
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posted August 20, 2020 02:25 PM |
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KebabJosephWatson said:
@Kip
Most smart women I know are feminists, they sometimes have objections to fourth wave’s overzealous approach but that is once again rather about the polarization of the internet culture and its echo chambers.
So... how many cats they own? And how many of them live off government grants for "art"?
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bloodsucker
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posted August 20, 2020 02:35 PM |
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This is a portuguese joke:
In an international assembly of feminists each representative speaks about the changes they've tried to implement in their own homes.
The English one: I come up to my husband and said: I'm not cooking anymore, if you want it you will have to do it yourself. In the first week I saw nothing. In the second week he made eggs with smashed potatoes everyday. Now he doesn't even let me enter the kitchen.
The French one: I went home and said, I'm not washing your clothes anymore. The first week he used the same boxers everyday, the second he tried to use the washing machine with the wrong programs and destroy almost all his wardrobe. Now he washes both our clothes, irons them and puts perfume in the drawers, my panties never smelled better.
The Portuguese one: I said to my husband, I will not put the garbage outside anymore, you will have to do it yourself. The first week I saw nothing, the second week the right eye haematoma deflated a bit and I could see enough to pick the garbage scattered all over the place...
Trade "The Portuguese one" for "married women Kip knows" and you will get why they are anti-feminists. They know, from experience, what's best for them.
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artu
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posted August 20, 2020 02:36 PM |
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Edited by artu at 14:39, 20 Aug 2020.
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@Blondie
Lol, we dont have such government welfare, nobody can live like that even if they want to. Some are married, some are not, but that is beside the point. Even for you to think like it matters whether they are married or not would prove their point. And they have less cats than Sal for sure.
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bloodsucker
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posted August 20, 2020 02:44 PM |
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Drakon-Deus said:
Serious? It was just one joke after another. And not very good ones. "Language!"
I would have liked it better if it was more serious.
I wouldn't. It is the brilliance of Robert Downey Jr, delivering punchline after punchline that made it for me.
artu said:
The problem is not feminism, the problem is virtue signaling in a shallow sense.
I almost miss this line. This is what I've been trying to say since the first post. Thanks for summarizing it brilliantly, Artu.
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Kipshasz
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posted August 20, 2020 02:56 PM |
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KebabJosephWatson said:
@Blondie
Lol, we dont have such government welfare, nobody can live like that even if they want to. Some are married, some are not, but that is beside the point. Even for you to think like it matters whether they are married or not would prove their point. And they have less cats than Sal for sure.
bait successfully swallowed.  
Also don't worry. if your war provoking government ever gets into the EU (which they won't because of the problems with the kurds), you'd have such welfare. billions for PC culture influenced bullcrap art projects.
I know a lot of single successful women too. some went through very bad divorces, and one in particular had such a weak sissy man for a husband, that when their kid was killed in a motoring accident, the cuck didn't even attend the funeral. mind you the deceased person was a young adult.
some never married at all.
btw, I do not measure the success of people by their marital status, so don't jump to soyclusions so fast.
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bloodsucker
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posted August 20, 2020 03:05 PM |
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artu said:
Winter Soldier was one of the best indeed, especially if you consider Captain America comes with a lot of patriotic crap that sometimes seem ironic to the non-American audience.
You mean it wasn't? I guess I'm not such a fan anymore...
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Blizzardboy
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posted August 20, 2020 03:21 PM |
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Lots of people think sexism isn't a thing or it's a rare thing, and I thought this way for a long time, but it really isn't true. Not under the surface, anyway. I know Kip is probably unreachable, but for other people reading this, think about it:
Ironman 1. Although Ironman does have some personality traits that would be considered flawed, in Ironman 1 he is instantly awesome. He gets captured and put in a cave and then he just uses the parts he is given to magically build a suit that turns him into Hercules, and nobody questions it. A producer could not do that with a female character or else the character would be a Mary Sue.
Female characters aren't allowed to be instantly awesome or else they get criticized. They have to suffer immensely and go through various trials, but not men. Men can be instantly awesome and it's fine.
Same way with politicians. Male politicians can get away with more corruption than female politicians can. We excuse it more with men but with women people are more quickly triggered. But why? Corruption has the same results whether it's a male or female running the show. The reason is that we have certain primitive instincts that make us favor male leadership even if there isn't a prudential or logical reason for why a male would be preferable over a female in a particular instance.
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artu
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posted August 20, 2020 03:26 PM |
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@blondie
Well, “the crazy cat lady“ metaphor is traditionally used for single women, who failed to get a husband and compensate with cats, so don’t be complaining about “soyclusions” if you communicate in baits.
@bloodsucker
Yeah, considering your joke’s subtext is “men cant do any snow properly,” should we call it a feminist one though? I dont know what comes to your mind when you say “married woman” but it doesnt have to be like a strict house-wife doing nothing else. I also dont know what comes to your mind when you hear the word feminist but I’ll give you three examples from real life, instead of jokes:
1- This one was one of my best friends in high school, we even had a little fling for a short time. She recently published her first novel (mentioned me in one of her interviews, said “a very dear friend and I had a bet in high school about which one’s book will be published first, I guess I won.” She does mountain climbing, deep diving, she is married to a guy with a kid from a prior marriage, she is a mother to that kid like he was her own, she loves cooking. She calls herself a feminist.
2- This one is an ex of mine that I lived with for two and a half years, she is a psychiatrist. She has an IQ of 156, she used to party like hell, she used to be into really kinky stuff. She is also married now, has two kids. She calls herself a feminist.
3- Another ex of mine from earlier days when I first moved to Istanbul. This one studied finance in university, at some point she said screw this, my life is not going to rot in some bank job, quit that, learned about film making, made a film, even got some awards, moved to Canada. She married some English guy over there. She calls herself a feminist.
It is beyond me, why you portray feminists as hysterical, edgy, man-hating women but nothing can bu further away from reality. Maybe, it is the conditions of Turkey, because you know, in Europe, women are free and they think this is normal, in the Middle East, women are not free and they have to act like that is normal. Turkey is a torn culture between the two, so some women are free and some are not. And the ones who are free never take that for granted, they know its value.
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bloodsucker
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posted August 20, 2020 03:38 PM |
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artu said:
considering your joke’s subtext is “men cant do any snow properly,” should we call it a feminist one though?
Of course not. It's one of the most chauvinistic jokes I know. I never tried to paint it as feminist.
artu said:
It is beyond me, why you portray feminists as hysterical, edgy, man-hating women but nothing can bu further away from reality. Maybe, it is the conditions of Turkey, because you know, in Europe, women are free and they think this is normal, in the Middle East, women are not free and they have to act like that is normal. Turkey is a torn culture between the two, so some women are free and some are not. And the ones who are free never take that for granted, they know its value.
I've known a Turkish female journalist in the Netherlands about fifteen years ago, one of the most intelligent persons I ever meet. We talked a lot about the extreme differences between cultures, within Turkey and between Turkey in general and other islamic countries and also about her fear that Erdogan (he had just became Prime Minister for the first time) would represent a big set back for citizens freedom from religion (she was an atheist like myself).
While I recognize that portray of women from many portuguese jokes, it isn't how I would describe the ones in my life, since most of my friends of the opposite sex have an university degree, are employed, quite good looking and drive better then me. Some are quite edgy but that's cause we first met at Osho events and other Kumbayha stuff before I rejected all that.
It is beyond me, why you mischaracterize my opinions like that but I think the problem is totally centered on your will to paint me as your straw man.
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Zenofex
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posted August 20, 2020 03:59 PM |
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Quote:
Female characters aren't allowed to be instantly awesome or else they get criticized. They have to suffer immensely and go through various trials, but not men. Men can be instantly awesome and it's fine.
Except that it's not. It's boring, unrealistic to the point of being ridiculous (even the most fantastic characters have to be in touch with reality to an extent), uninspired and unrelatable. The gender of such a characters is totally unimportant if he or she fits that description. That insta-ausome Iron man from the first movie you're talking about is a filthy rich arrogant prick who is just as delusional as he is intelligent and goes through some moral transformation - hardly something worthy of a psychological study, just like all comic characters are "in your face" morally white, black or grey, but it's present. An example of an insta-awesome hero is the classic Superman and he's terrible by today's standards - hence why the modern movies about him try to make him a more complex character, otherwise he's a trash bin material. I.e. if you make Captain Marvel male, he'll suck just as much as the female version, plus being a redundant Superman on top of it.
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blob2
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posted August 20, 2020 04:11 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 16:14, 20 Aug 2020.
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Downey Jr is a good Ironman becasue he simply... plays himself. A rich, spoiled womanizer, alcoholic and a wise guy who goes through some morality change. It also helps that he looks like his depiction in the Ultimate Avangers comics. Only he was younger at that time. I believe the actor went through a lot of stuff (around 90's - 00's he had problems with law and even went to jail), there was a serious bump in his career and this role hugely helped him get back on his feet and put him in the spotlight again. Kinda like Mickey Rourke, mainly after "The Wrestler" and Sin City before it, who also was digged out from obscurity.
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bloodsucker
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posted August 20, 2020 04:27 PM |
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Blizzardboy said:
Female characters aren't allowed to be instantly awesome or else they get criticized. They have to suffer immensely and go through various trials, but not men. Men can be instantly awesome and it's fine.
As usual this is total crap. Just read the basics of story telling and you'll get it. The adversity is inherent to the construction of a character.
I see Zenofex already developed the rest of my argument.
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JollyJoker
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posted August 20, 2020 04:37 PM |
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artu said:
Minion said:
Maybe, that’s why TV shows started to have more artistic and dramatic quality compared to movies, the new platforms support this more. But I think this new golden age of TV is about to end also, Sopranos, Breaking Bad, Mad Men... It’s been a while since I saw a show that good.
I think that TV shows surpassed movies the moment Twin Peaks hit the TVs and told a continuing story. Since then, there has been a format developing that mixes the single episode thing with a continuing BACKGROUND story - say, The Good Wife (and of course The Good Fight).
When it comes to good shows, The Americans are at least as good as the above mentioned. The Expanse? These are examples for story-driven TV shows.
As mentioned before, Jessica Jones and Daredevil are absolutely excellent. And if you want a show that developed from interesting to breathtaking - what about Person of Interest?
There are still TONS of good shows. Killing Eve? Westworld? What about Orange is the New Black? Or - if you want it somewhat harder - Wentworth Prison, for that matter (which is actually a pretty good show). Lucifer is hilarious...
The plain truth is, that the movie format sucks in comparison with a TV show that comes with 400-600 minutes - ample time to really develop story and characters.
Even the two seasons of Terminator (Sarah Connor Chronicles were ultra cool - although the movies were good. From a cineastic pov I still think the original Terminator beats them all, since it's just a jaw-dropping piece of b-movie trash that makes you bite your nails, without the necessity to start thinking too much about all that time paradoxa and so on.
Speaking of which - try Timeless. Nice twist: people cannot meet each other (it will be like a matter/anti-matter reaction), which also means, you cannot go back to where you already have been.
Anyway - cinema is dead, let's face it.
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Blizzardboy
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posted August 20, 2020 04:41 PM |
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blob2 said:
Downey Jr is a good Ironman becasue he simply... plays himself. A rich, spoiled womanizer, alcoholic and a wise guy who goes through some morality change.
... And if the movie had been released with a female equivalent of all of those personality traits, young adult males would have loathed it. But, it portrayed a man, so instead they thought it was awesome. Because they hold a double standard, and the traits they loath seeing in a woman, they cheer on when they see it in a man, because when they watch that character on screen, they can pretend that they are seeing themselves and they can temporarily forget that in real life they are a nobody.
There's a word for that: it's called sexism.
Honestly, this has become circular and I think I've already thoroughly won this argument and I'm not going to bother discussing it further  Toodles.
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artu
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posted August 20, 2020 04:53 PM |
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Edited by artu at 16:54, 20 Aug 2020.
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@JJ
Timeless and Person of Interest were both enjoyable for me but not as “grade A” as Sopranos or Mad Men. The latter have artistic value while Timeless is simply entertainment. And I have special interest in time travel stories, since I like reading history a lot. But the thing is, Timeless simply couldnt make you feel you traveled back in time, everything remained too anachronical. I’m not talking about costumes or production value but about how people behaved.
Westworld, especially the first two seasons were excellent. But it’s a concept you cant keep pushing and pushing and they got stuck at some point, derailled into more of an action show than the philosophical sci-fi in the beginning. (Btw, JJ, try the new Brave New World if you liked WW. It’s not as good but you’ll sure like it.)
Americans write great shows of course, all three I mentioned as masterpieces were American shows. But these were all shows beyond your typical Hollywood formulas and when I say Black Mirror was hollywoodized, that’s what I refer to. There was a very dark humor in the earlier seasons which you can relate to British culture in its own way. It was, different than the new Twilight Zones in this regard, less mystical, more sociological. That has been watered down a little.
There are of course, mini-series, Chernobyl, John Adams, Unorthodox. Those are really the best in terms of dramatic value.
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bloodsucker
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posted August 20, 2020 04:55 PM |
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Blizzardboy said:
I think I've already thoroughly won this argument.
And you dare to call other people delusional? Please, Fred's rants about gays in the military make more sense then your blabbering.
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Kipshasz
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posted August 20, 2020 05:06 PM |
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bloodsucker said:
Blizzardboy said:
I think I've already thoroughly won this argument.
And you dare to call other people delusional? Please, Fred's rants about gays in the military make more sense them your blabbering.
Fredmuffin is right tho. military is no place for weak people. imagine them in real combat scenarios for instance.
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bloodsucker
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posted August 20, 2020 05:10 PM |
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Would it be like this?
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Minion
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posted August 20, 2020 05:10 PM |
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Edited by Minion at 17:13, 20 Aug 2020.
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That was probably the stupidest thing I have heard in a long time. Care to explain what makes gays weak? A
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Kipshasz
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posted August 20, 2020 05:12 PM |
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because the lot of them have hell of a lot mental issues and wouldn't even survive past bootcamp?
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