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rychenroller
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posted October 11, 2001 08:19 AM |
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I dunno why I am replying to incubus but here we go...
You say I cannot look past Homm games. What would you know? I grew up on roleplaying, not sitting in front of the pc, posting thousands of posts and playing with myself. I've played earthdawn, cthulu, AD&D etc, and in every one, a dryad is almost an INSIGNIFICANT creature compared to a dragon. A dryad cant control a forest for gods sake. no more than you could develop some intelligence. So call hundreds of fantasy gaming writers stupid as well, because you obviously know all there is to know, but dont presume you know anything about me.
Man why did i even bother wasting time on you
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Preserver
Promising
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posted October 11, 2001 04:15 PM |
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Okay... Then just a little dragon? 
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Gerdash
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from the Animated Peace
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posted October 11, 2001 05:43 PM |
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hmm.. so.. once upon a time there was a great battle or a contest to determine who is stronger: 100 dryads met 100 black dragons.. unfortunately, we don't know the result, because the battle has not started yet, because the dryads have not been able to form an army of 100 yet. or what do you think. somehow i wouldn't expect dryads in a stack of 100, i.e. would feel like having them as a hero type. well.. on the other hand, i would expect dragons in a bit smaller stack, either, maybe it's just a matter of getting used to.
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and some ideas about the hydra:
the damage and armour (well, if there is no armour, then hit points) of a hydra should be less than dragon imho, but the hydra should have some very significant regeneration thing, which combined with appropriate hit points for a 4-th leven creature should make it strong enough.. but now the black dragons would be stronger if the stacks of 4-th level creatures should become large, so building the hydra swamp would give an advantage at first, but if this advantage will not be used properly, it would be weaker later.. that's my guess about the hydra vs black dragon, assuming the hydra will have regeneration.
but the trolls have always (at least in homm2 and homm3) been the ones with the regeneration, and they don't want duplicate bonuses, so i may be wrong. in that case, the hydra looks way less armoured than the black dragon and should be appropriately weaker, and i don't think i have any further good ideas what it's special ability could be that could balance it with the dragon and keep the graphics reasonable at the same time..
imho the no retaliation thing has always been unreasonable for the hydra, but i can understand why they have it in every case when there are attacks in multiple directions in previous homms. in homm4 the retaliation will be handled differently, so maybe they will loose that ability. another guess would be that the hydra will be poisonous (well, sth like the mix of the hydra and the wyvern), but i don't exactly remember if the hydra has been poisonous in mythology, and imho the regen would suit the hydra more perfectly anyway.
also, i think there is at least one mythology where the dragon and sth like a hydra are considered equivalent, and this is the infamous christianism. the multi-headed dragon's wound was healed there, and if that was the same dragon that st george messed with, the dragon was also depicted as one-headed in art, as far as i know. of course, in the presence of many greek mythological creatures i might perhaps expect to see an interpretation corresponding to greek mythology rather. on the other hand, i don't know much about greek dragons except that they had teeth.
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rychenroller
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posted October 11, 2001 10:42 PM |
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LOL@Preserver 
Humour seems a rare thing here, lets see more
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Lith-Maethor
Honorable
Legendary Hero
paid in Coin and Cleavage
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posted October 11, 2001 10:51 PM |
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Dryads vs Dragons...
...a dryad would never beat a dragon one on one... however in a forest there are way more than one Dryad (according to Greek mythology, dryads "tree nymphs" were living inside a tree and could control it at their will) if a Dragon (usually dragons are loners) ever tried to destroy a forest he would go against thousands of dryads (almost half of the trees could have a Dryad in them) so the match would be 1 Dragon vs 1000+ Dryads... then the winner would be the forest...
Hydras and Dragons
in Greek mythology the Hydra had the ability to grow two heads if one was cut off, since that would be a pain to do in HoMM4 I'll have to go with regen... Dragons came in various shapes and sizes, always in reptilian form but I can't recall of a winged Dragon... IMHO medieval, therefore fantasy, Dragons are a mixure of Greek and Chinese (oriental) Dragons...throw in some dark ages theocracy and voila!!! you got yourself a Dragon...
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ACC
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Enemy of the Efreet
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posted October 11, 2001 11:08 PM |
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Hydras should have regeneration, I'm surprised they don't.
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but if you gain the victory,
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ThE_HyDrA
Admirable
Famous Hero
The Leader of all Hydras
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posted October 12, 2001 01:22 AM |
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Yes, a Hydra should have regeneration as its special ability in HoMM4. This has been the case in the legends where Hercules fought it. Like Lith-Maethor, Preserver, ACC, and i think Gerdash have pointed out.
But if it did have this ability, would it be stronger than a Black Dragon?
Hmmmmmmmmm.... Tough Question.
Dryad vs Dragon
Dragon easily. I've said that already, Dryads are just not strong enough in my opinion.
Dryad vs Fairy Dragon
Get rid of the Fairy Dragon, and put the Dryad in its place!! I think it suits the Preserve Castle much better, since it is more closely related to nature than the Fairy Dragon is, and 2 Dragons in HoMM4 is enough by my standards.
Fairy=I suppose equals small
Wyvern=small Dragon
Wyvern is also a better choice than the Fairy Dragon, but place it in Level 3 instead of level4..
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"Dragons may breathe fire, but Hydras have many heads." - The Creed of Hydras
"As the Dragon drew its breath, the Hydra pounced, swiftly but powerfully, and the Dragon was defeated.”
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Xenophanes
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Chief Consul to Queen Mutare
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posted October 13, 2001 06:12 AM |
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Hmmmmmmmmmm
I think the Mantis will be an interesting addition...What's the big problem with Leprechauns? I worry about the Mech Dragons....
As for only three Dragons in Homm4, I think not. There are several screenshots that show what appears to be the Frozen Cliffs, where the Azure Dragons Dwell. Plus, there are supposed to be eighteen neutral creatures, right? And there aren't enought known creatures yet to get that number! We have more Dragons to come, I tell you!
Here are the Frozen cliffs:
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ThE_HyDrA
Admirable
Famous Hero
The Leader of all Hydras
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posted October 13, 2001 09:59 AM |
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Quote:
I think the Mantis will be an interesting addition...What's the big problem with Leprechauns? I worry about the Mech Dragons....
As for only three Dragons in Homm4, I think not. There are several screenshots that show what appears to be the Frozen Cliffs, where the Azure Dragons Dwell. Plus, there are supposed to be eighteen neutral creatures, right? And there aren't enought known creatures yet to get that number! We have more Dragons to come, I tell you!
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I see the Frozen Cliffs, but i do believe that they are for the new ice creature which looks very nice indeed.
More Dragons-I'm not so sure. 3 already=more?? Unlikely.
Creatures:
True, there are not enough screenshots which have been released to reveal each and every creatures, even ones which we know are in the game
-Fairy Dragon
Mantis is interesting but fickle. Same goes for the Dragon Golem, i fear.
Keep squeezing out the facts!! :0)
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"Dragons may breathe fire, but Hydras have many heads." - The Creed of Hydras
"As the Dragon drew its breath, the Hydra pounced, swiftly but powerfully, and the Dragon was defeated.”
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Djive
Honorable
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Zapper of Toads
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posted October 13, 2001 02:12 PM |
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Dryads
Dryads are not suitable either as creatures or as heroes.
This beacuse dryads are tied to a certain forest and a certain tree. They can be powerful on their own turf/forest but outside they're helpless.
Sure a Dryad could summon help from the forest, but the help it could gain would depend on the size of the forest. If the forest is not big enough to hold a dragon, it shouldn't be able to summon a dragon. If there are unicorns, wolves or dendroids then they could certainly summon them, while in the forest. When outside the forest, their powers dwindle to almost nothing, assuming they can survive at all outside the forest.
The Dryad should NOT be a level 4 creature, but it could be the basis for a grail-building immensely strengthening the defense of a preserve town. The grail building would imply that there are lots and lots of dryads looking after the forest, and they could then be stronger than any level 4 creature. I believe that for consistency Drads should not be allowed to leave their forest where they are powerful. The grail building is one way to do this.
I looked up a Dryad in some AD&D campaign and it had 2 HD. A dragon has around 12-14 HD. I believe "Lith" summed up the result of a fight well enough in his post.
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Preserver
Promising
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posted October 13, 2001 02:32 PM |
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That's why your grail structure idea is so great. I really love it!
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Gerdash
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from the Animated Peace
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posted October 13, 2001 04:59 PM |
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aren't the dryads some ppl who don't worry about global warming etc? imho conquering a town with an army of dryads sounds almost as weird as with an army of leprechauns.. but on the other hand, e.g. unicorns should be rather rare monsters, so i wouldn't expect to see an army of unicorns, either. maybe that's why the representation of the stack by one mosnter and a number is suitable for a fantasy game.. so that you will see one monster instead of a swarm.
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ThE_HyDrA
Admirable
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The Leader of all Hydras
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posted October 14, 2001 05:11 AM |
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I actually do think that Dryads should become creatures.
Dryads ARE linked to trees, but are not helpless without them either. Just not as powerful.
Reasons for being levels 4
-Dryads are sort of like two enitity, living of each other. This will make it stronger
-Are the strongest known spirit of the forest.
-Fairy Dragon does not suit Preserve well; in my opinion
Dryads in battle, if linked to a tree(In H4's case near one) Such as in dirt, grass, swamp, any place which has trees in it.
Any place without trees, desert, badlands, water. Dryads are not as powerful, since the nearest tree is further away than if it was in a forest. In this case, the dryads does 1/2 damage or gets handicapped in some way. This will also add to the concept of strategy.
The grail idea will also work. But there are better uses for the Dryad in Preserve. The Dryad is a creature. And has been used as one for previous games: Lufia, and games like that.
Ideas for other grail structures:
-Fairy Dragon;
could also be used to cast spells, as if it was a Fairy infused with a Dragon(Let's hope it is) and adds additional spells and associated things to the creatures, which gives them the ability to cast Nature magic, too.
-Every creature which has been recruited from the Preserve would be able to combine to share each and every special ability to create a specially bred creature stack, say the unicorn could have possess abilities from the Phoenix and the Leprechaun.
These same ideas can be used for other castles, such as Academy and Necropolis too....
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"Dragons may breathe fire, but Hydras have many heads." - The Creed of Hydras
"As the Dragon drew its breath, the Hydra pounced, swiftly but powerfully, and the Dragon was defeated.”
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Xenophanes
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Chief Consul to Queen Mutare
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posted October 16, 2001 01:41 AM |
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I like the Grail Structure ideas. Hey, someone should start a thread for those.
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Preserver
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Elemental Druid
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posted October 16, 2001 10:27 AM |
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There is...
Grail and level 8 creature
As for the faerie dragon, it's one of the best/coolest Preserve creatures. If a level 4 should go it should be the phoenix, but I actually like balance between them (you really have something to choose between). The dryad is cool yes, but too late to add to the game anyway. Djive's idea was nothing less than genius, and is by now the best (expansion pack) proposal I've ever read on this communtiy.
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ThE_HyDrA
Admirable
Famous Hero
The Leader of all Hydras
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posted October 16, 2001 12:02 PM |
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Next Creature
It seems as though Preserver, here has wrapped up the Dryad discussion, and rightfully so, he is a Preserver.
Next Discussion: As to which creature:
Yes, the notorius Dragon Golem. Which creature could have gone in its place? The old Dragon golem, the one that looked like a Dinosaur and less like a golem, (only it's forelimbs were noticeably mechanical)
Which creature would have been able to replace it?
In my mind, a giant could have been use, it would look less like the giant in Heroes previously, and more like a huge giant, which had little armour and used pure strength.??? Possibly??? What are your thoughts?
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"Dragons may breathe fire, but Hydras have many heads." - The Creed of Hydras
"As the Dragon drew its breath, the Hydra pounced, swiftly but powerfully, and the Dragon was defeated.”
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Preserver
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Elemental Druid
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posted October 16, 2001 12:19 PM |
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level 4: Giant (walker)
Level 4: Titan (shooter)
I don't think so. As I said before, you really got to have a choise. That's why the dragon golem fits in here. But if I have to choose another creature, I would go after a blue MtG creature... Hmmm... A blue dragon would really fit in here, but NWC made their "Order" alignment as dragon slayers, so.... It would have been cool ... The wizard is a hero.. Only thing I can think about would be somekind of djinn or illusion, but genies are already in so only illusions are back... Strong nuff to be level 4? Hmmm... Maybe not so strong, but relying on it's abilities (disappear, teleport, tricking)?... I don't know...
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ThE_HyDrA
Admirable
Famous Hero
The Leader of all Hydras
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posted October 18, 2001 12:05 PM |
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Yes, a Blue Dragon would be quite suitable for the Academy instead of a Dragon Golem. You are replacing a Dragon with a Dragon. That is good, since you are not adding a Dragon to it.
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"Dragons may breathe fire, but Hydras have many heads." - The Creed of Hydras
"As the Dragon drew its breath, the Hydra pounced, swiftly but powerfully, and the Dragon was defeated.”
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DarkTitan
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posted October 20, 2001 11:25 AM |
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Yes,
Dragons are getting abundant these days, and it would be nice to cut down on numbers. It also will remove the controversy from the Dragon Golem's tale.
Another suggestion would be to have a supreme knight or other creature, to fill the gap.
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Preserver
Promising
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Elemental Druid
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posted October 20, 2001 06:22 PM |
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But the problem is...
...that people of the Academy/Tower/Order alignments are dragon slayers. They would never have a real dragon in their ranks...
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