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Mytical
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posted May 03, 2010 10:55 AM |
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Yeah, until it comes accross a Rock type pokemon, with Rock moves. Then..maybe not so much.  . Rock types are slow, and I don't think there are any pure rock types (are there?)
Oops Nosepass. Would probably not be good for them against a Nosepass of equal level.
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posted May 03, 2010 11:01 AM |
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Pfft...
I have no knowledge of pokemon outside third generation and even among third I am indifferent. Didn't like them.
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posted May 03, 2010 11:05 AM |
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Well even a Rock/Ground (Like Graveler) would hurt them as long as you avoided using ground type moves. Anyhow..every type has a weakness..it is all in using it.
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posted May 03, 2010 12:48 PM |
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Rock/ground types are one hit KOs for ice.
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posted May 03, 2010 12:59 PM |
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True, but Flying/Ice are OHKO's for rock as well (and ice only does 200% damage while Rock does 400% to flying/ice). Though the rock/ground IS slow. There are other types to mix rock with tho 
Like Relicanth (Water/Rock) that takes 1/2 from ice and flying. Of course put a grass type up against Relicanth and..that is the point..there IS no best type or combination.
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posted May 03, 2010 01:28 PM |
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Rock/ground types are one hit KOs for ice.
Ice/Flying
Weak to fire(common)
Weak to lighting
Superweak to rock
Now, there is loads of pokemon with high power rock moves.
Besides, neither Ice nor Flying tend to have HP.
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posted May 03, 2010 02:37 PM |
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Double damage from: fire, lightning, steel.
Quadruple damage from rock.
Super effective against: dragon, ground bug, fighting, flying.
Quadruple damage against grass.
Half damage from bug and grass.
Immune to ground.
Makes half damage to steel.
Rock is mostly paired with ground and their special and speed are so low it's not an issue.
Fire types tend to have low def so they can be taken OK.
For lightning goes the same but they are more dangerous regarding speed.
Steel is really the only big issue issue but they are so god damn rare it's not really much of an issue.
Of course double types are another matter.
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posted May 03, 2010 03:12 PM |
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Got my console today Just now actully
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posted May 03, 2010 07:40 PM |
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Grats emilsn! 
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I have no knowledge of pokemon outside third generation and even among third I am indifferent.
It shows. 
My types are usually:
Flying
Psychic if I can find one early game
Normal (often but not always in conjunction with Flying)
Water (pretty much a necessity with all the water-based HMs)
Electric
Ghost is fun
Steel but those are usually difficult to find early in the game
Fire usually makes its way onto my team one way or another (usually as a Starter), and I tried to branch out my Pokemon experience with a Graveler and a Weepinbell during SS, though I don't usually do Grass types at all.
Maybe I'll do something special next time I go through a game, like customise a team before hand and trade it over, or do a team of all Flying types.
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posted May 04, 2010 08:55 PM |
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Weeeeee! 
I got HG today. I'll update my in-game status as frequently as possible. Haven't started playing yet, for the record.
Everyone knows what my starter is gonna be anyways...
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posted May 04, 2010 09:17 PM |
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Even in generation II, most types of pokemons I trained with high physical stat would usually have some kind of ground+rock attack since it's very effective against most things.
Also, the ice/flying type will most likely not be able to OHKO anything from its type alone, even if super effective and having high stats, however it'll most likely be OHKO'd by a single rock slide or ancient power, I'd guess.
Mytical wrote:
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There really are no superior types in the game.
Well at least not intentionally is there any type or single pokemon superior to all other pokemons. However the game is far from balanced, at least I find it even less balanced in the later versions which is an impression I got from smogon uni, by comparing amount of useable pokemons to the total.
Here I define balanced as the frequency a random pokemon is useable.
A truely balanced game would not depend solely on strategy (the way the player have set up and trained his pokemons), but also tactic (the way the player have instructed the pokemon to behave). Sadly the anime have tactics and the game lacks it completely, at least any decision making tactics (there are the random factors, though that doesn't really add anything, because there's no choice, you can't train your skill in luck).
However by the limits that've been set in the game, not including only existing pokemons, it's not hard to imagine a pokemon that would be superior to every other pokemon.
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posted May 04, 2010 09:26 PM |
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See I disagree with that. After all..the player must decide which four of all the possible moves to keep, with not all of them being effective against all type..while some are more effective against a certain type. For instance, a mean look will do better against say Abra while a quick attack would be useless against a Ghastly. So tactics IS a very big part of the game.
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posted May 04, 2010 11:27 PM |
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I would count it random amongst the final form of each pokemon... I'd never consider caterpie tourney competitive.
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posted May 04, 2010 11:40 PM |
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I would count it random amongst the final form of each pokemon... I'd never consider caterpie tourney competitive.
Second that. And there are some Pokemon that were obviously never intended to be battlers, like the Unown.
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posted May 05, 2010 12:18 AM |
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I wouldn't mind if even unown or caterpie became useable in battle.
It would of course require a much more elegant way of presenting the different options during battle, maybe even make it part real time in stead of completely turn based, at least the dodging part could be so.
Also including real environment bonuses, such as battling with a caterpie in the forest would be a huge bonus because of it being harder to hit and caterpie in general would be much more familiar with the battle ground (easier at making sneak attacks).
For unown, alone an unown is weak, but in group, like in the third movie, it should have an extreme power, at least in the right environment.
Of course such changes and modifications would not be liked by everyone, so there should cleaerly be a choice between how the battle should be, if it should be real time or turn based.
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posted May 05, 2010 01:29 AM |
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A small offtopic. Is it possible to catch Celebi in any game ?
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Arcax
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posted May 05, 2010 02:05 AM |
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Merci ohcmakemeacake
So as I athought its not possible to get without meddling with some Japan events affairs.
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posted May 05, 2010 05:08 AM |
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Well, I'm at Union Cave at the moment. My team is:
Magikarp - Level 14
Totodile - Level 13
Pidgey - Level 12
Bellsprout - Level 10
Geodude - Level 9
Sandshrew - Level 6
I like how much the essence of Gold has been preserved up to this point, in spite of the fact that the plot looks like it's gonna be pretty different.
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posted May 05, 2010 07:37 AM |
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Also, the ice/flying type will most likely not be able to OHKO anything from its type alone, even if super effective and having high stats, however it'll most likely be OHKO'd by a single rock slide or ancient power, I'd guess.
Most flying types do have low defense but not all ice/flying are so. Articuno is pretty defense prime, delibird is OK. While all rock plus some other physical type have low special. Now if we compare rock slide or ancient power which are 65 and 60 respectively to ice beam or blizzard which are 95 and 120 respectively I think you see the point. Blizzard with super effective will be doing 300 damage while rock slide with double super effective will be doing 292,5 damage. Now the Ice/flying type is almost always faster(exception aerodactyle) and will always have higher special difference compared to the rock types attack/defense. Conclusion=ice/flying wins.
Questions about the new gold:
-Are there the same pokemons?
-How is the battle system? Is it the gen IV?
-Most important one, Is it fun?
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posted May 05, 2010 07:49 AM |
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Except in cases where Ice and Flying do half damage such as the Rock/Water combo. Even the low speed of that type will have little impact when a 400% damage move faces a 50% damage move..correct? Conclusion Rock/Water > Ice/Flying
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