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Danny
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posted December 27, 2010 05:35 PM |
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^I guess you're wrong, because Naga is a race like humans, elves or dwarves in this context. There aren't enough Angels (and supposedly Faceless) to make up a faction, but Angel is not a unit of Haven in H6 only because of variety, not because it's "too strong", and of course to be able to introduce bosses.
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mytheroes
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posted December 27, 2010 05:38 PM |
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Now that I think of it:
Naga IS the elder race of the dragon of water so it has the same power than an angel or a faceless.
Haven champion is a half-angel because the angel is too strong to be a champion.
If angels are a 'Boss' or something in between Nagas should also be like that.
As nagas in H3 were weaker than titans then they would be even bigger bosses.
Tiatans in H5 were the same level as arcangel so they should also be real bosses.
My point is: Nagas and Titans are too strong to be part of a faction. The fifth faction will probably not have a naga in their line-up and academy fans will cry. Correct me if I am wrong.
It doesn't have anything to do with tier/level. Take Centaur as an example. In H5, it's tier 2, below Mauler. Now, in H6, it's Elite, above Mauler. And comparing H3 Naga with Ashan Naga is wrong in the first place.
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kodial79
Promising
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posted December 27, 2010 05:40 PM |
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Now that I think of it:
Naga IS the elder race of the dragon of water so it has the same power than an angel or a faceless.
Haven champion is a half-angel because the angel is too strong to be a champion.
If angels are a 'Boss' or something in between Nagas should also be like that.
As nagas in H3 were weaker than titans then they would be even bigger bosses.
Tiatans in H5 were the same level as arcangel so they should also be real bosses.
My point is: Nagas and Titans are too strong to be part of a faction. The fifth faction will probably not have a naga in their line-up and academy fans will cry. Correct me if I am wrong.
Humans are the children of Ylath, dwarves are the children of Arkath, elves are the children of Sylanna. It's not absolute that the children of the Dragon Gods are all as powerful as the Angel for example. Nagas don't have to be so powerful, although they do look the part, admittedly (judging from their H3 design).
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xerox
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posted December 27, 2010 05:40 PM |
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But humans (!), elves and dwarves are ALSO elder races of the dragons and they are certainly not as powerful as the Angels we have seen so far.
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moonlith
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
If all else fails, use Fiyah!
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posted December 27, 2010 05:42 PM |
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Aaaaaaaand who gives a crapload about this snowty excuse for "lore" to begin with?
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xerox
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
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posted December 27, 2010 05:45 PM |
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Actually, the new developers seem to care a great deal for the Ashan lore and story. The story already looks to be a million times more exciting and deep than in H5.
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kodial79
Promising
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How'd Phi's Lov't
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posted December 27, 2010 05:49 PM |
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But humans (!), elves and dwarves are ALSO elder races of the dragons and they are certainly not as powerful as the Angels we have seen so far.
The Elemental Dragon Gods (Earth, Fire, Air and Water) didn't seem to create as strong children as the 'conceptual' Dragon Gods (Light and Darkness). Most advanced though are the Primordial Dragons (Order and Chaos), who created (indirectly, in the case of Asha would be more correctly to say patronize) a whole category of races.
In correct order should be something like this:
Urgash, the Dragon God of Chaos, and his children are the Demons (1000's of different kinds of Demons).
Asha as the Spider Goddess, and to her name are the Undead.
Elrath, the Dragon God of Light and his children are the Angels.
Malassa, the Dragon God of Darkness and her children are the Faceless.
Ylath, the Dragon God of Air, and his children are the humans.
Arkath, the Dragon God of Fire, and his children are the dwarves.
Sylanna, the Dragon God of Earth, and her children are the elves.
Shalassa, the Dragon God of Water, and her children are the naga.
Apparently also every Dragon God must have some kind of special dragon race that serve them, such as Sylanna has the Green Dragons, Malassa the Shadow Dragons, Arkath the Fire Dragons and probably you could give the Bone Dragons to Asha. For the rest is yet unknown but I think it's rational to speculate that more Dragon races exist that correspond to the other Dragon Gods.
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SwampLord
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Lord of the Swamp
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posted December 27, 2010 06:38 PM |
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Aaagh, so many Dragon Gods, it wounds me. 
I was hoping they'd cut back on the "Dragon everything" in Heroes VI, as it was one of the most irritating parts of Ashan lore, but the existence of "Dragon Blood Crystals" seems to speak against this.
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maeerol
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posted December 27, 2010 06:43 PM |
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But humans (!), elves and dwarves are ALSO elder races of the dragons and they are certainly not as powerful as the Angels we have seen so far.
The Elemental Dragon Gods (Earth, Fire, Air and Water) didn't seem to create as strong children as the 'conceptual' Dragon Gods (Light and Darkness). Most advanced though are the Primordial Dragons (Order and Chaos), who created (indirectly, in the case of Asha would be more correctly to say patronize) a whole category of races.
In correct order should be something like this:
Urgash, the Dragon God of Chaos, and his children are the Demons (1000's of different kinds of Demons).
Asha as the Spider Goddess, and to her name are the Undead.
Elrath, the Dragon God of Light and his children are the Angels.
Malassa, the Dragon God of Darkness and her children are the Faceless.
Ylath, the Dragon God of Air, and his children are the humans.
Arkath, the Dragon God of Fire, and his children are the dwarves.
Sylanna, the Dragon God of Earth, and her children are the elves.
Shalassa, the Dragon God of Water, and her children are the naga.
Apparently also every Dragon God must have some kind of special dragon race that serve them, such as Sylanna has the Green Dragons, Malassa the Shadow Dragons, Arkath the Fire Dragons and probably you could give the Bone Dragons to Asha. For the rest is yet unknown but I think it's rational to speculate that more Dragon races exist that correspond to the other Dragon Gods.
In fact, not specifically a dragon, but a "titanic/tank creature". If you see the necropolis creatures, the fate spinner is a sort of Asha's avatar. The bone dragon, if I remember correctly, are created by bones or parts taken from other dead dragons.
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Hakkology
Hired Hero
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posted December 27, 2010 07:41 PM |
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My point is: Nagas and Titans are too strong to be part of a faction. The fifth faction will probably not have a naga in their line-up and academy fans will cry. Correct me if I am wrong.
Not sure about the Naga but you are definitly right on Titans. It'd be unfair to see titans as champions since they are too strong to be ( Black Dragon-Titan relationship from H3 proves it. ).
I believe Nagas are just strong enough to be a champion unit of some kind of serpent faction. Now that would be cool, a little H3 fortress feeling. ( In fact,similarity between the fate spinner and a possible naga creature is hard to miss. )
As long as it is a strong faction in magic i am okay with that  . But if its not academy, i'll just puke again. No worries Elvin, this time i'll clean my own mess.
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Danny
Famous Hero
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posted December 27, 2010 08:28 PM |
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Not sure about the Naga but you are definitly right on Titans. It'd be unfair to see titans as champions since they are too strong to be ( Black Dragon-Titan relationship from H3 proves it. ).
The Black Dragon-Titan thing in H3 was more of an inside joke, I don't see how that should affect H6, especially since the Cyclops is included which used to be a top tier unit pre-H3. Not to mention that officially it's only the Bone Dragon that got replaced, the rest of the factions that had dragons as tier 7 in H5 are conveniently excluded from the new lineup.
Maeerol: You're right, not every dragon god is supposed to have a corresponding dragon creature, but I think that'll be due to gameplay purposes and variety issues. I don't think they will come up with dragon children for the Air or the Light gods for example, because of the "too many dragons in H5" complaints (which leads back to the previous paragraph, they conveniently left out the tier 7 dragon-factions so they wouldn't struggle with finding a replacement).
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vitorsly
Known Hero
Joker!
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posted December 27, 2010 09:51 PM |
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Okay so forget my last coment. Light and Dark is most games IS stronger than the 4 elements. Still dont believe the Naga will be core or a weaker elite.
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Pahomije
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posted December 27, 2010 10:53 PM |
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Elrath, Ylath and Shalassa could have children of their own. Elrath could have Gold/Sun dragons, Ylath could have White/Silver dragons and the blue sea serpent boss from trailer could be Shalassa's child. They needn't be present in-game to be in lore.
What I didn't like in H5 was that the children of Arkath were elemental and all other dragons were living. That and the alternative upgrade for shadow dragon which was red - didn't make sense to me lore-wise, apart from the H2, H3 homage.
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xerox
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posted December 27, 2010 11:57 PM |
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Indeed, I have always imagined myself that Elrath has light dragons with angelic wings instead of reptilian and that even Asha has white Order dragons living on the moon and Urgash Chaos dragons who live in the deepest parts of Sheogh.
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Orfinn
Supreme Hero
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posted December 28, 2010 12:07 AM |
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Indeed, I have always imagined myself that Elrath has light dragons with angelic wings instead of reptilian and that even Asha has white Order dragons living on the moon and Urgash Chaos dragons who live in the deepest parts of Sheogh.
Hey, I like your idea there! Actually I wish it was true 
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Abiogenist
Hired Hero
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posted December 28, 2010 01:16 AM |
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Anyone saw this vid of Paul Romero?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LToIV81D23g
If you skip to 3:54, you'll see some kind of water serpent gliding in the air. I think this is for a water-based faction.
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xerox
Promising
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posted December 28, 2010 01:44 AM |
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yes, it is speculated that it is a naga hero
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blighboy
Hired Hero
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posted December 28, 2010 04:04 AM |
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Naga=good as an unit in a town,but not as full faction
Faceless=would be great to see them,but there are too much evil factions
Dragon Knights=no thanks
Other factions=I think there will be academy or sylvan
It would be great if they will bring back fortress ,but not so many chances
The fifth faction will be entirely new, so sylvan and academy are out. I've seen few possibilities suggested other than naga or lizardmen (or naga + lizardmen).
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shooshima
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posted December 29, 2010 08:42 PM |
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Do u think this could be a unit from the 5th faction?
looks pretty legit to me...your thoughts...
go to website:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150328692300434&set=o.161184829587#!/photo.php?fbid=10150328690020434&set=o.161184829587&pid=16192049&id=835220433
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Hakkology
Hired Hero
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posted December 29, 2010 08:45 PM |
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Do u think this could be a unit from the 5th faction?
looks pretty legit to me...your thoughts...
go to website:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150328692300434&set=o.161184829587#!/photo.php?fbid=10150328690020434&set=o.161184829587&pid=16192049&id=835220433
It definitly would but if i remember correctly, it was proved to be a fake and its a creature from D&D universe.
Boy i have no problem with this creature i even like it as a core unit for the faceless.
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