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watcher83
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posted December 20, 2010 02:17 PM |
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the correct view is a mix of the two - naga units accompanied by bog creatures
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War-overlord
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Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted December 20, 2010 02:20 PM |
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And we expect the Naga because we have had several clues of their development and they are the faction the lore supports the most.
Ofcourse the desire for a new HeroesIII Fortress has a lot to do with it, but it is not one of the reasons why most expect it.
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xerox
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
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posted December 20, 2010 02:43 PM |
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I think the Naga town should be something like this.
PALACE
Core
Kappa
War Tortoise
Serpent Fly
Elite
Naga Samurai (male)
Oni (blue-skinned)
Naga Priestess (female)
Champion
Qilin
I do not think the champion will be some kind of Sea dragon or leviathan since we already have a boss creatures that look like that ad they seem to want such creatures as bosses.
2 racial units are enough imo. Creatures such as the Orc warrior felt unnesscessary in Stronghold etc so I do not think we need a third racial unit in H6 Naga.
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Over himself, over his own
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Azagal
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Smooth Snake
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posted December 20, 2010 02:57 PM |
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Yeah man who had the idea of putting an orc warrior in an orc faction? Uuuuugh really? Damn man Ubi you really don't know your lore do you? It's quite clear that you should have taken the "Week of the Berserk Combat Hamster" as more than just a funny week and size your chance to implement greatness! But no alas we get an Orc warrior in an orc faction instead of awesome berserk combat frenzied killer hamsters... they would fit much better!
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xerox
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
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posted December 20, 2010 03:06 PM |
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Well, I just do not think "Orc Warrior" is a creative creature and could have been replaced by something more interesting. There are already two other orcs in that town anyway and barely any new creatures.
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Over himself, over his own
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Orfinn
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Werewolf Duke
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posted December 20, 2010 04:38 PM |
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Okay, so the six armed women (marilith, a very extremly rare demon model) is ready to become a race?
I would hate seeing something asian into homm games, at least REAL chinese style like those horrid naga pictures that didn't make it into homm5 game (gladly)
Asian in this game is like putting in a forge town or aliens for me...
I prefer the demonical marilith nagas as they always used them in this game, I love D&D nagas and I love HOMM naga's, but not asian style race based naga's, if they do this I won't like nagas anymore, not in homm6 at least.
I want lizardmen or tritons for swamp/water faction, I hate all this warcraft love, I want nothing to do with that game and sphinx, mummy, naga are always my unique guardians, no race at all.
And minotaur warlocks? Please no.
1: Note we are not in the REAL world regarding the M&M universe. The creatures are inspired by real world myths! And who are you to judge if they are ready or not, its a fictional being. As long as it stays FAR away from WoW inspiration, have them in. ANd yet there are SO many different variations Nagas can have, they aint exactly easy to stay original. I dont mind if they have four or six arms as long as they stay close to past HOMM incarnations.
2: To bad then. The Sorceress town, Rampart for example were quite alot influenced by asian architecture. So would it really hurt to see something like that again?
Also its sad that Forge had to go, really. M&M is all about fantasy and sci-fi in a an epic bland, but short sighted fans just couldnt open their eyes there.
Like me, I was an utter moron to believe leaving Forge out was a good idea.
After all the Armageddons blade in the hands of Queen Catherine would make sure that all the forge towns run by Archibald would be destroyed. So much effort for orginality, or what??
Mostly spit and hatred from fans, thats what NWC got for trying to be original because they thought WE understood the part with having sci-fi elements in, they thought we were familiar with all the sci-fi elements from the first 5-6 M&M games from the start, kinda dumb but still.
3: If done right Asian Nagas could be original. Not a big deal, REALLY.
4: Again I wouldnt mind seeing the HOMM 3 Nagas back, they were awesome and could really fit as a leader race of a swamp town IMO.
5: Lizardmen and Tritons I agree. Warcraft shouldnt be inspiration to new HOMM games, with that I also agree.
6: YES to Minotaur Warlocks, Im not sure if WoW have messed up your mind but dont you remember the Minotaur Warlocks from H2?/H3 ? That shouldnt really be a problem with you. But since the lore for Ashan is quite different it wouldnt make sence to have Minotaur warlocks since they are slaves.
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SkrentyzMienty
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posted December 20, 2010 04:51 PM |
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@ Warcraft haters
Although I agree with some points in one way or another, IMO it's YOU that have a problem with WoW, not HOMM.
I mean, ao what if some aspects of the two are similar? They are both good games. Besides, many HOMM players don't even play Warcraft, and don't associate HOMM with it in any way, so why do you have to bring WoW up all the time when talking about HOMM? 
BESIDES, as I said before, if all games were prohibited from "sharing" any creatures, there simply wouldn't be enough creatures in the world to compose more than ONE game 
BESIDES #2: I, personally, don't care if a GREAT creature in a game also appears in another, if it's that appealing and cool it's logical it deserves to be in other titles. (btw. funny how no-one says anything about WoW having similar creatures as HOMM, always vice-versa  ). I absolutely don't care if HOMM has some AWESOME creatures, that also appear in WoW, in fact I'm happy I can have them in my HOMM army. Creatures are treated like illegal immigrants or terrorists when appearing in more than one game, where in reality many creatures originated in legends, myths, so HOW ON EARTH can any computer game claim rights to them?!
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vitorsly
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Joker!
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posted December 20, 2010 05:21 PM |
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When I remenber the forge town I think:
Stupid fans! They ruined an epic expansion and turned into this town?
I have no problem with elementals or phoenixes but we would get jet-pack minotaurs and lazer pistol goblins!
Now HoMM no longer resemble the original MM.
BTW why does everybody compares HoMM to WoW but rarely talk abour the real Warcraft?
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maken
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Hail Hydra!
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posted December 20, 2010 05:59 PM |
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I don't mind naga's, minotaurs or harpies because they are also in WOW, i'm against the thought of making the naga's just like the wow naga's (ugly and nothing like the real deal) and i'm against making minotaurs into good sissies with spiritual roots...
And still you don't like the japanese naga of the artwork. So, what kind of naga would you like? Seriously, it intrigues me what sort of naga you expect. 
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SkrentyzMienty
Famous Hero
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posted December 20, 2010 06:23 PM |
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I don't mind naga's, minotaurs or harpies because they are also in WOW, i'm against the thought of making the naga's just like the wow naga's (ugly and nothing like the real deal) and i'm against making minotaurs into good sissies with spiritual roots...
And still you don't like the japanese naga of the artwork. So, what kind of naga would you like? Seriously, it intrigues me what sort of naga you expect.
I think (judging from what she posted before) that she likes the Naga to look like in H3 and H4  (which I also prefer than the ones in Warcraft, but I like the WC ones too)
@Nightterror I actually share your views about a Naga "faction" not being the best idea. But, an aquatic faction with JUST one or two (male and female) Naga units would be very nice and interesting, don't you agree (and I mean with the Naga looking like in H3, and the other being a male counterpart) 
Would you like a faction with: Naga, Water Serpent, Basilisk, Mermaid, Manta (or other marine creature), Kraken, Leviathan, Water Turtle? Or are you just against the idea of an aquatic faction in the first place??
IMO H6 can have a GREAT Aqua faction, being NOTHING like Warcraft, so don't worry
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maken
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Hail Hydra!
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posted December 20, 2010 06:42 PM |
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well, since I hope naga get the jungle terrain (and also that naga is indeed the faction), it would pretty much throw away any connection to japanese makeup and clothes. That way they probably would go with indonesian like naga, and that picture Jaba posted in one of the first pages is really what I expect to be naga 'theme', as in architecture and environment. And I think heroes 3 naga could fit such indonesian theme, they even have those strange headdress.
plus, those statues from the demo video don't scream japanese, they're really more about indonesian/cambodian style. Right at the start you can see the statue and other stone things. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIyZrezALN0
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Jabanoss
Promising
Legendary Hero
Property of Nightterror™
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posted December 20, 2010 07:28 PM |
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Yeah for some reason I agree with you Maken
I think it would be really cool with some kind of Cambodian/Indonesian style for a possible Naga-faction.
For many reasons, first Nagas or snakes should use architecture that are based on stone, it just fits them the best. A second reason is the the ancient Cambodian/indonesian Structures are found in the jungle YES! and that is the place where I want my Nagas.
Not some boring sea-faction or anything like that, no no in the middle of a great jungle that stretches for miles and miles filled with the most dangerous and terrifying creatures ever discovered. 
Only a location like that are worthy for the 5th faction of Heroes VI.
@Nightterror, once again the Taurens of Warcraft are fine, You know why? Because they are not Minotaurs! thank you
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Lee
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posted December 20, 2010 09:20 PM |
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Core: Mermaid/Siren, Frogman/Troglodyte, Naga warrior/Naga swordmaster
Elite: Giant squid/Kraken, Naga Sorceress/Scylla, Hippocampus Rider/Hippocampus Knight
Champion: Sea Serpent/Leviathan
Great lineup but I would change Sea Serpent/Leviathan for Sea Lord/Triton
Peace.
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Raelag84
Famous Hero
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posted December 21, 2010 01:56 AM |
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Just curious.
DOES ANYONE EVEN KNOW WHAT A NAGA IS?!
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blighboy
Hired Hero
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posted December 21, 2010 03:09 AM |
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Just curious.
DOES ANYONE EVEN KNOW WHAT A NAGA IS?!
Eastern mythological water creatures that are part snake and part human, of ten depicted with multiple arms.
Or that's what I've gathered from hanging out on here, I could be completely wrong.
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Raelag84
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posted December 21, 2010 04:04 AM |
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Eastern mythological water creatures that are part snake and part human, of ten depicted with multiple arms.
Or that's what I've gathered from hanging out on here, I could be completely wrong.
Some of them are depicted as having no arms (completly snake). Some of them are depicted as all human. Not all of them live in water, but they are always assoicated with water.
It's like asking what an angel is or what a Unicorn is. Sure an angel just looks like a human with wings, but there is a context behind them that makes them more than that and that is what really makes an angel.
The same thing is true of Naga. A Naga might look like a snake, but truely that has little to do with what they are. What makes a Naga a Naga is that they are symbols of water, fertility, and arcane knowledge. They are beings that people used to pray to for a good crop or to have children (there are people today that still pray to them).
In other words Lizard people and Medusa do not belong in a Naga faction (although I do miss the HOMM3 fortress faction). Who would ever pray to a Medusa for a good crop after all?
It would be like making an angel faction and having a Harpy in it. Sure both Happries and angels are avian humonids, but they still don't belong together because they mean something diffrent.
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admira
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted December 21, 2010 10:20 AM |
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Now, this is would be a good place for Naga Faction to live
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Demonge
Known Hero
more than meets the eyes
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posted December 21, 2010 11:37 AM |
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I bet the 5th faction won't be nagas.
I don't know what it will be, but I think I know what it won't be.
Just because more and more people believe in them, giving more and more trust to the hypothesis.
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maken
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Hail Hydra!
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posted December 21, 2010 12:29 PM |
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The problem is, that when HOMM games create a beautiful model for them (in the nagas case the used the suiting model of the marilith demon from D&D) they should keep to that model, not change it around in a worse way..
I'm pretty sure that D&D is the one that twisted the idea of a multi-armed half-snake naga into a demon, and NOT that all the idea of naga as half-snakes began after that. So Heroes use (at least one of) the 'normal/original' interpretations of what a naga should look like.
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Just because more and more people believe in them, giving more and more trust to the hypothesis.
Yeah, now everybody will just drop what they think, because a lot of people are thinking the same. The logic is just pouring in this argument. People are just expressing their expectations, not forming some church of naga. I really don't care if is something else, just please give me the damn 'good side of the Force' magic faction. NAO!
And about the naga lore, yes, they are associated with water and fertility and that is not really hard to find. Plus, there are a lot of games that use the different 'shapes' of naga, none of them is totally alien, at least to me (ok, I've never seen totally human nagas, but well...) . Besides, that does not invalidate that as a fantastic race in a fantasy game they can call their lizard friends if the things against their enemies get bad. IMHO.
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maken
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Hail Hydra!
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posted December 21, 2010 02:09 PM |
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Ok, I'll try to explain one last time. I'm not saying the mariliths are naga, just that whoever invented them took ONE of the naga depictions and put more arms to it. So they are based on naga at all, yes.
"Nagas are serpent beings from ancient Indian mythology. In early Hindu art, Nagas have human upper torsos but are snakes from the waist down. In Buddhist iconography, nagas sometimes are giant cobras, and sometimes they are more like dragons, but without legs. In some parts of Asia, dragons are considered to be a type of naga"
And four or more arms is so boringly common in Hindu gods that this feature is obviously taken from there. No need to be a genius and use both the early Hindu naga concept and Hindu gods thousand arms and voila, marilith.
That if the entire marilith was not taken from one naga depiction, but yeah, I think D&D added the multi-arms feature.
By the way, if D&D nagas are what I think they are: snakes with humanoid head, they are also based on one of the naga depictions.
Anyway, this is barely on topic discussion. I rest my case.
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