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posted February 22, 2014 11:34 PM |
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Of course Putin would not take over Ukraine just like that by force which was not what neither me nor the "expert" meant by "taking over" but he would certainly like to have control over its politics and if civil war did happen, Russia would be the first to send in some form of support.
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Fauch
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posted February 23, 2014 12:41 AM |
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I don't know if it can be worse than joining the EU
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posted February 23, 2014 01:27 AM |
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kipshasz said:
So know the dumb snows desperately seek out another war. So far they have three options: Ukraine, Bosnia and Venezuela. My money's on Venezuela, 'cause the Juans there got a metric snowload of oil, and besides, worms have finished feasting on Chevez. A prime opportunity I'd say.
Hehe...
http://www.memecenter.com/fun/2859111/gonna-free-the-snow-out-of-amp-039-em
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Fauch
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posted February 23, 2014 02:04 AM |
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well, as long as other countries accept to only sell their oil for dollars, that's somehow as if USA possessed all the oil in the world.
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kayna
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posted February 24, 2014 06:15 PM |
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The smartest politicians ( in my opinion ) knows that conquering a country is rarely worth it. The best, most subtle way is to economically screws that country while giving those citizens the illusion of being free and well treated.
If a country decides to invade another one, there will be war, thus poverty, in which other countries will be able to trade with that country in need in a favorable way. Then that invaded country might rebel later one, which will create more poverty, and once again, better deals in favor of everyone around.
But it is apparently already over with 70 reported deaths ( which is probably much higher but not enough to be considered a civil war imo ). I must applaud their government for bowing out so quickly.
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posted February 24, 2014 06:21 PM |
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kayna said:
I must applaud their government for bowing out so quickly.
I personally think the bandits got them at gun point. There's no other way for them to take such absurd stuff done. They are either held at gun point or the yanks bought them.
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kayna
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posted February 24, 2014 07:47 PM |
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You may be right. My opinion didnt include any kind of mentality or morals into it, just that it was resolved quickly so they wont go down in war and poverty.
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kayna
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posted February 25, 2014 04:57 PM |
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With the use of real bullets rather than rubber ones with tear gas and fire hoses, there s no case for the guy left.
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posted February 25, 2014 05:06 PM |
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Apparently he is already on the run and his mansion has already become a sight-seeing attraction. Russia is mad as hell and I always enjoy when Russia and USA get pissed about not getting what they want. 
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posted February 25, 2014 05:28 PM |
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kayna said:
With the use of real bullets rather than rubber ones with tear gas and fire hoses, there s no case for the guy left.
you know, in his place I'd sent in the army to take care of those bandits. nad not recall them untill every single snowing one of them is dead.
Now we have those snowing bandits coming here for medication. snowing little badits. I've got a severe food poisoning the other day and I didn't even bother to get to the hospital, 'cause Lithuania's doctors are treating those snowing bandits. I think Lithuania's citizens should come first, not some snowing bandits.
Also to the whole of Ukraine:
@Gunfred: don't be a moron. There's no Russia in this equation.
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posted February 25, 2014 05:34 PM |
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kipshasz said:
@Gunfred: don't be a moron. There's no Russia in this equation.
What are you talking about?! Russia are pissed at the protesters and vocally support the now fleeing president.
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posted February 25, 2014 05:38 PM |
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Janukovitsh was practically a russian puppet, of course they're pissed. They dumped billions on the guy but still failed to buy the army for him.
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posted February 25, 2014 05:55 PM |
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But in the end it's the smallfolk that end up in a metric snowload of problems.
Yea, the control of the Black Sea is important, but the latest events are just yank provocations against Russia. Putin isn't a snowing hothead anymore, I think he'd learned that from Georgian war.
And lets snowing face it. most politicians are just puppets of some greater power. either jewish dogs and the yanks or Russia.
I did liked the polish minister of foreign affairs saying to the bandit delegation "you're all gonna be dead". this whole crap isn't useful to some of the investors here. And I've heard that pooland's bsinessmen invested a snowload of money into Ukraine's businesses. All I see that all of the investors are losing all of their money for this. What were those people creating? jobs. what the bandits create? mass anarchy and a load of bullsnow.
Yea, Yanukovych snowed up. was yuschenko any different? he got ito power through the so called "orange revolution". and what did he and his office did? stole like there was no snowing tommorow.
Now we have that old snow tymoshenko back as "the leader of the opposition", and the dumb snow fled under Merkel's skirt. From what I've heard, those bandits weren;t very happy
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posted February 25, 2014 06:01 PM |
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kipshasz said:
what the bandits create? mass anarchy and a load of bullsnow.
I thought you were the kind of guy who would support armed revolution... 
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kayna
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posted February 25, 2014 06:06 PM |
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Edited by kayna at 18:12, 25 Feb 2014.
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lol. Nice picture. Beside the "strategic location" that south east Ukraine has, what lies within it's soil? And are there more ressources in the south east, the north west, or is it roughly equal?
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posted February 25, 2014 06:54 PM |
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kipshasz said:
And lets snowing face it. most politicians are just puppets of some greater power. either jewish dogs and the yanks or Russia.
politicians being puppets isn't news.
the puppeteers being only jewish, american, or russian, however, is.
if you really believe in politicians being only puppets, then you must also believe that the puppeteers will just replace those stepping down with another shell, that does their bidding just like the last one. you know, "meet the new boss, same as the old boss"?
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posted February 25, 2014 08:23 PM |
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nobody cares about resources, people should stop being obsessed over omgomgomg national control over ore and oil is essential to wealth
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kayna
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posted February 25, 2014 08:30 PM |
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Well, anyways. Seems to me like Ukraine should separate itself in two, given how culturally different both extremities are. I don't really like Russia, or should I say, the people that runs Russia, and I wouldn't like it if they had more power, a better access to the black sea, but if everyone down there speaks russian and if they loves it when they pull the natural gas plug on and off, why not let them?
Do I assume correctly that the pro european folk north west protested for a new election rather than out right separation because they also don't want to give an inch to Russia? The west and the european union clearly doesn't want to give russia an inch, but do the Ukrainians up there also want that?
Do I also assume correctly when saying that the pro russian folk south east don't go out to protest against those protesters because they did suffer from previous Russian sanctions, so they may be higher in vote count but clearly not as motivated, not willing to put their lives on the line like the protesters are? -- insert notion of quality of vote here --
It's funny how one source I read speaks highly of Ukrainian export while the other says their main export is candy. If their main export really is completely pointless candy, I think they would be best to close borders and try to be fully autonomous. But if they want to live the big lifestyle with the cars and snow, they can go suck that Russian cock for oil. *shrug* People living higher living standards than they should, even if they produce a lot of things? Someone around them is clearly screwing them up in snowty economic deals.
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kayna
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posted February 25, 2014 08:35 PM |
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xerox said:
nobody cares about resources, people should stop being obsessed over omgomgomg national control over ore and oil is essential to wealth
Most folk dont care, but higher ups do. Primary products arent called primary for nothing, they are essential. Primary. The whole economy scam is set up so we can exchange primary, more important products for cheaper and then put a higher price tag on less important goods and services, when it should be the other way around.
My question was to try to understand because, usually, when a location X has less natural resources, and location Y has more natural resources, location X usually wants to remain together where as location Y more often wish to separate itself. Looking at our colorful picture in page 1, the first obvious conclusion that comes to mind is that they should separate to avoid needless conflicts.
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Fauch
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posted February 25, 2014 08:43 PM |
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I suppose there are russian gas pipelines going through Ukraine to the rest of Europe?
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