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fred79
fred79


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posted January 24, 2017 10:59 PM
Edited by fred79 at 23:00, 24 Jan 2017.

what'd you do? tape the convo? and i recommend a qp for tsar's post(since it's a new page). riveting. compelling, and rich.

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artu
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My BS sensor is tingling again
posted January 24, 2017 11:05 PM
Edited by artu at 23:06, 24 Jan 2017.

fred79 said:
what'd you do? tape the convo?

If you're referring to his format of transfer, I agree. It would be much easier both to carry and to read, if it was simply written down as the dialogue it is, like this:

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tSar-Ivor
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posted January 24, 2017 11:07 PM
Edited by tSar-Ivor at 23:14, 24 Jan 2017.

fred79 said:
what'd you do? tape the convo? and i recommend a qp for tsar's post(since it's a new page). riveting. compelling, and rich.


And constantly being edited and changed to suit my own political ends, but you know sue me. Besides I could've just talked to myself (but no it was a FB convo), one argument is a strawman while the other is a countargument to the strawman so by that it's nothing substantive. The conclusion to be drawn is that I want you intelligent men to give me a sufficient reasoning for why the Uk should leave the EU. The massess of the Uk voted to leave/stay based on far less than what I'm asking for, and I plan on ruling over these bonobos. Freddy boy feed me glorious knowledge, a QP will not make me more intelligent or attain greater truth, thus it's not within the scope of my desires. If you wish to aid me then again, feed me plz.
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Salamandre
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posted January 24, 2017 11:14 PM

Not becoming a minority in your own country sounds like a good enough reason to me. Hope France will follow so this farce comes to an end.

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tSar-Ivor
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posted January 24, 2017 11:15 PM
Edited by tSar-Ivor at 23:26, 24 Jan 2017.

Unfortunately the only aspect of vague British culture to which I subscribe is aving a drink at the pub after work (ye ye I consider Uni lectures work, sue me), so not much is lost with Europeans floodin here, it could be why Islamaphobia is so prevalent cause they don't drink, who knows. I'd be more concerned about Hungary as Hungarians actually do have a strong sense of culture and what is right and wrong that I found to be unique, but it's not something exclusive, but that strong culture is what allowed us to survive centuries of Ottoman and Austrian occupation more or less intact, so am not at all worried about the migrant crisis.

I do get people's fears over immigration, our local culture here in England is weak as piss (very regional too in places) and when confronted by such a magnificent Islamic culture we simply don't compare. It's like opening a weak market to international investment and competition, literal suicide of your national businesses. The answer is strengthening your own culture not ousting other much stronger ones from your sphere.
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fred79
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posted January 24, 2017 11:25 PM

tSar-Ivor said:
And constantly being edited and changed to suit my own political ends, but you know sue me. Besides I could've just talked to myself (but no it was a FB convo), one argument is a strawman while the other is a countargument to the strawman so by that it's nothing substantive. The conclusion to be drawn is that I want you intelligent men to give me a sufficient reasoning for why the Uk should leave the EU. The massess of the Uk voted to leave/stay based on far less than what I'm asking for, and I plan on ruling over these bonobos. Freddy boy feed me glorious knowledge, a QP will not make me more intelligent or attain greater truth, thus it's not within the scope of my desires. If you wish to aid me then again, feed me plz.


i don't know enough about the issue at hand to contribute at all, intellectually. all i can do, is cheer stupidly from the sidelines, and flash my ass and beaver every time i jump in the air with my pom-poms.

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tSar-Ivor
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posted January 24, 2017 11:27 PM
Edited by tSar-Ivor at 23:28, 24 Jan 2017.

Have no fear then, your good intention will be respected and I warmly accept it.
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verriker
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posted January 24, 2017 11:35 PM

with regard to a democracy and a majority I will definitely be siding with my kinsmen in Scotland who have unequivocally voted to remain,

with any luck that independence referendum round two will come good rather than be undemocratically dragged into hopeless English quagmire, else give up and move to other kinsmen in Ireland lol
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tSar-Ivor
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posted January 24, 2017 11:40 PM
Edited by tSar-Ivor at 00:30, 25 Jan 2017.

I'd love nothing more than to join you lovely folk up north, but I feel ima claw and bite my way to the top of this godforsaken country and get a good tug on its scruff (England exclusively). There is no abandoning ship for me, when the ship sinks so help me god I will raise it from the ocean floor and patch her up again. Lol as pretentious as all hell, but I think my outlook and my focus on being constructive and making the best of any situation. George Frost Kennan comes to mind when I think of other likeminded people as me (long telagram is a worthy read as well as his general view of the USSR from an intelligent American interest perspective).
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markkur
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Once upon a time
posted January 25, 2017 03:54 AM

I think you would do better for yourself if you would look to the history and unfolding of the EU and compare it to what has happened in countries other than Germany and France, for starters. Also, it seems to me NATO is not something to overlook. Once you make that effort, at least you'll know why you believe what you do.

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tSar-Ivor
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posted January 25, 2017 04:08 AM

A lot of people seem really confused as to why France and Germany united so readily and so quickly post world war II, and am like have we already forgotten about Vichy France and the fact that most of France's colonial Empire (like Vietnam) supported Vichy France, sure De Guelle came back, but it's not political leaders that run countries it's the bueaucracy that does and the administritive bodies. That combined with the fact that the warlike Prussians went over to the soviets and it almost seems like an inevitable Union lol. Brits literally only went in to screw the French over, but we never truly joined the EU as most claim, we always had only one foot in as it were.
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artu
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My BS sensor is tingling again
posted January 25, 2017 04:18 AM

So, you started referring to Britain as "we." Do you think of yourself as an immigrant or a student temporarily staying there? When somebody asks where you're from over the internet, do you reply Hungary or Britain?

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tSar-Ivor
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posted January 25, 2017 04:47 AM
Edited by tSar-Ivor at 06:24, 25 Jan 2017.

I reply that am from Arkhangelsk if it's irl or over the internet. In terms of the reality of my ethnicity is that I am a full fledged British and Hungarian citizen living in England ^_^'. In terms of how I feel tho, I wish I was Hungarian, but spent the last 14 years learning to be "English" and now kinda wish I didn't. Every time I meet Hungarian immigrants I'm always overcome with this super envy, hard working and have a discipline and a just sense of worth no matter the type of employment, the same I just don't see in Brits. For want of a better word, they're honourable.

But again I would love to say it's like apples and oranges, but that's if I compare say Muslim immigrants to Hungarian ones, Brits are just hollow, it doesn't feel like am subscribing to any particular culture when I say I'm British, they're backward and ignorant. My grandfather got three years of education and it was straight to work, my grandmother only one, he married at 20 and raised a family of 5 and then fought in WWII, strong upstanding and incredibly intelligent from a practical view (he knew how to respect others and appropriately use authority), my grandmother god rest her soul died working in 2012 IIRC (working on her farm till she died, lol she had no money or subsidies, she ate hand to mouth what she produced, raised chickens, vegetables and berries). Lived and died happy at a ripe old age of 86.

Am not trying to get some nationalist fervor going, am saying that British lifestyle and education doesn't even come close to what my grandparents had and created with their own two hands (my mothers side is the same but my great grand father who was just a wee bit older than grandfather on the fraternal side was named a Kulak because he had created more than what he ought to have had, he didnt rule over others he brought people together in a true communist fashion lol, ironic). Which led to my grandfather on the maternal side being ostracised and eventually flee at 16 in 1956 to England (some work ethic, but lacking in tolerance, but much the same raised a family from 21).

I am 23 I don't have a wife and family, not that that's my current ambition, but my capability to raise one would be in question, what the hell did these people, my own family have that that Brits so sorely lack, they weren't nearly as well educated (arguably) especially not by a first rate country, but they lived long and fulfilling lives. The English often get confused too in my history lectures, they simply can't come to terms with backward serfs in medieval England can and did live happy lives, despite the brutalities of certain aspects of life and circumstance. No, peasants were not dumb or ignorant living in a state of slave mentality, they were intelligent and hard working, they still managed carve a life for themselves with their own two hands, I'd the worst of them over the best of our current generation any day.  

And if we compare Britain to the likes of Japan, again simply no comparison, the Japanese are lightyears ahead of us (not saying that we need to follow the Japanese model, they fused American liberalism with their own unique culture and became an extremely effective power on the backs of its people). Again Britain too needs to find its identity again , we lack understanding and direction and if we don't wake up damn soon, we will die out, and it will not be the Muslim's fault or the migrants, we will have nobody but ourselves to blame, it is our responsibility to quench the first that for too long went unsated. There will be no peace in Britain till we can recover from the shame and once again stand as equals with our international brothers.

Again, what I honestly think is that Britain is sorely lacking proper developed culture, people aren't islamaphobes or racist because they hate Muslims or migrants, when confronted by the likes of which I have just described they have no choice but to be scared and insecure, they have been failed from birth and now confronted by the stark reality that second and third rate countries are producing far better stock of people than 'Great Britain'. These insecurities will never be sated by declaring war on Muslims or ousting migrants, we need culture lol, we need something we can be proud of. I do believe it is no accident that I am here, and while it is a distant dream, I will conquer this nation one way or the other, not to dictate to people what to do, but to give them the chance to live to the true best that they can possibly be (and for god's sake give them a reason to exist). And it's not just for future generations, here and now, what we have is no longer acceptable...I repeat this is no longer acceptable, I will neither tolerate this nor sit idly by, I took up politics to satisfy my own curiosities, but I have a higher calling, I could've died more or less a happy and ignorantly by living a slothful life, but I got work to do it seems. I will shatter this damn illusion to a million pieces, and with those shards I will forge this nation into something we can all be proud to call ourselves part of. I will thus stand on three core principles: love, truth and justice.

Hmm idk mostly my emotional rather than rational side talking, but I daresay for a speech wouldn't be half bad when compared to the likes of Theresa May or christ almighty Trump.
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tSar-Ivor
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posted January 25, 2017 06:50 AM
Edited by tSar-Ivor at 19:19, 25 Jan 2017.

Lol I never felt more English than I do on saint Patrick's day, alcohol dirt cheap and socialising with everyone and having a blast. If that is what it means to be English then by god I will elimate the tax on alcohol, if people are plagued by unemployment and lack of housing then by god I will grant them land for them to cultivate and seek their own living and sustinance with their own two hands, technology has brought us to the brink of forgetting who we are and what's truly important, any person that can carve his own future and make his own living without fear with his own two hands, that's got to be better than what we have. I will give them the chance for that. Every base need will be provided, food will no longer be a merchandise, healthy and organic food will be the staple of every diet, I will eliminate the want for housing, by giving people the money and support to make their own, education will be practical and relevant, it will teach people the means by which they can find and attain their own sense of worth and happiness. Simple lives and a high tier of thought is my ultimate goal. No reason to advance science if we are far more depressed and plagued by more mental illness than any generation that came before, what's the point of technology, advancement and wealth if you're not happy, if you don't feel part of something?!

More than anything I want to give people a real opportunity, as I said before I do not wish to dictate, I wish to give people a real chance to do what I know they can and for so long has been out of their reach, I want the buggers to be happy, and so help me god I will bite scratch and claw my way to give them the light, they will have to do the same to reach it. For too long we sat on our arses and do nothing as our communities die due to neglect, not for lack of want and desire, but because we no longer feel part of it all. As the head of state of this great nation I will never again let our institutions fail our people so, I will piss off a lot of people whose backing was required for so long by the leaders of this great nation, but I say bollocks to them, I put my whole and unfettered faith in the hands of the British people. Make your decision and live with the consequences, but damn you all be happy if nothing else.

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Speech end, also as a lil bonus to my previous post, there are some bad eggs in Hungary too, but their a specific evolved type, for instance my father is an honourless rat, but by growing up with him I learned cunning and how to be pragmatic, and was the first dictator that I toppled.
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phe


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posted January 25, 2017 07:33 PM

TSar-ivoromics and his whip will bring prosperity and justice for all of us

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markkur
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Once upon a time
posted February 11, 2017 06:56 PM

Saw this yesterday.

After Brexit: The Battle for Europe
bbc
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EnergyZ
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posted March 29, 2017 12:07 PM

It's a sad day. What could they be thinking to exit the organization, after 40 years of membership? They aren't Switzerland to simply ignore that all.

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tSar-Ivor
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posted March 30, 2017 03:27 AM

God bless May for her wisdom and intellect this truly the start of a golden age for Britain!
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verriker
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posted March 30, 2017 12:06 PM

tSar-Ivor said:
God bless May for her wisdom and intellect this truly the start of a golden age for Britain!


for sure we can drink to that cheers lol
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WHY?
posted March 30, 2017 04:19 PM
Edited by frostysh at 16:24, 30 Mar 2017.

Well I have own humble version, of why actually KoGB-guys have decided to make public leaving from EU. Of course ma version is sux, and poor analytics, it is but still, it is only the version, so let's type that.

1) Some countries from the Europe is in difficult situation:

a) The society is aligned for the "hate and violence", they have bored from their everyday peaceful and rich life. A very far from the moods in society of this countries after the W2.

b) The immigrant problems, mostly economical stuff.

c) Continuous growing of radical stuff, that causing even more bleeding.

d) Balkans as usually the almost epicenter of this events

2) The incredible rapid growing of the Power on the East.

a) This power can easily use the situation and the moods in society to make some of Europe countries unstable.

3) If The Power will succeed in the single country of the Europe, and the "fire in the house" will start to swallow peoples, this may cause somekind of the Chain-Reaction in the problem countries that connected to this particular one.

a) The best thing for that will be something like terr. attack to the NYC. <imo>

4) So the KoGB-guys, decided to left some space for maneuver if that happens. And make a more distance from the radical stuff that may be caused to grows rapidly. But imho, KoGB was stable enough for this kind of disturbance, but they knows better...

a) This is a wise decision, usually KoGB guys making a very careful and wise decisions (especially if we gonna look into History), and they have Historically proven to be very effective. But still, we cannot forgot a few Epic Fails which cause a total disasters .

5) The less amount of a powerful countries such as KoGB public-directly involved into EU - the less chances for the East Europe to survive, this is obviously.

Conclusions: Such decision was not an easy decision for the samrty KoGB guys, and I think they have counted most of risks, and they actually well aware what the hell they are doing... I hope they have no triggered the dangerous stuff.


Well - Good Luck for the all good guys in KoGB in this case, and this is frostysh' wishes.
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