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Kayna
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posted June 25, 2016 06:28 AM
Edited by Kayna at 06:31, 25 Jun 2016.

As a French Canadian, I would have savored the irony of the English people being assimilated by the EU. They voted out just in time, because they were about to be locked in. The EU would've sent waves upon waves of ethnics that would've voted against the UK and in favor of the EU every time because ethnics with their survival instinct activated always sides with the strong... just 2-3 more years and they would've lost the vote forever.

Looking to be with your own people of your own race and same skin color isn't necessarily an evil, racist desire. When everybody is white, there's less trouble because of differences, everybody votes in favor of the future rather than instant gratification because your ancestors lived on the same land for hundreds of years, and cherry on top, you don't get to hear extremely repetitive liberal speech of acceptance of race every god damn day for your whole f----- life.

Heck, when everybody is white, you don't even know who's racist, because everybody is white!

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Salamandre
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posted June 25, 2016 06:43 AM

I think is less about skin than about incompatible ideologies. There are millions of Asiatic people in every EU country and we never hear about.  

But well put.

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posted June 25, 2016 02:51 PM

I am also worried about EU clerks (and EU parlament members etc.) having a lot of work in their offices thanks to brexit, and having therefore even less time for solving important problems with refugees or laws.
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posted June 25, 2016 03:17 PM

Hey, tough job, but with it comes a big salary.
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posted June 25, 2016 03:47 PM

looking at the way the narrative went in this thread I'm a bit surprised I'm the only British person at HC active here, thought maybe a few more of you people hailed from this damp **** hole, lol
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posted June 25, 2016 04:00 PM

Salamandre said:
I think is less about skin than about incompatible ideologies. There are millions of Asiatic people in every EU country and we never hear about.  

But well put.
Pardon my French, but no, it's a load of racist bullcrap.

I think, there will be an exit from the Brexit because Andy Murray is a Scot, and if Scotland exits from the UK and enters the EU the Brits lose an Olympic and a Wimbledon champion; even more important - Whiskey would become more expensive in England.

On a more serious note, the promise the 350 million pounds Britain is paying into the EU coffers each week would be put into healthcare has already been taken back and called an unfortunate error, lol.

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posted June 25, 2016 04:17 PM

verriker said:
looking at the way the narrative went in this thread I'm a bit surprised I'm the only British person at HC active here, thought maybe a few more of you people hailed from this damp **** hole, lol


Tsar lives in England  but he either hasn't recovered from his hangover yet or he's swimming the channel bare-chested to go back to Hungary.
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posted June 25, 2016 04:35 PM

Blizzardboy said:
Tsar lives in England  but he either hasn't recovered from his hangover yet or he's swimming the channel bare-chested to go back to Hungary.


ah fair enough cheers, yeah thought that guy was Hungarian so I hadn't a clue, sorry for being a bit dense on that Tzar man lol
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Kayna
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posted June 25, 2016 05:10 PM
Edited by Kayna at 17:14, 25 Jun 2016.

JollyJoker said:
Salamandre said:
I think is less about skin than about incompatible ideologies. There are millions of Asiatic people in every EU country and we never hear about.  

But well put.
Pardon my French, but no, it's a load of racist bullcrap.


Call it racist bullcrap if you want, but that's part of the "legal" loophole, you can't talk about it without sounding racist. I know more about assimilation than anyone here on this board. The globalist dream is beautiful, but in practice, it doesn't work, because only holy, uncorrupted, righteous and fair people can properly lead a unified world, and we very well know people like that hardly ever get in power. In the end, from the UK's perspective, any any other country in the EU for that matter, it's a question of giving the power to others versus keeping it yourself.

Why hand over power when you can keep it?

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Zenofex
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posted June 25, 2016 05:58 PM

There's some petition for a second referendum gathering signatures at the moment. The whole thing might turn into a comedy. It's getting a bit annoying how persistent are the media in repeating that the 52% in favour of leaving the EU were from the "smaller towns", mainly from England and mainly elderly folk. It's implied that the UK wants to leave the EU because of peasants and pensioners who outvoted the "young people" and the "big city boys", because... why really? The latter were to lazy to vote?

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posted June 25, 2016 06:24 PM
Edited by blizzardboy at 19:11, 25 Jun 2016.

@Zeno:

BBC is staunchly pro-EU and will be very diligent in undermining Leave, albeit with subtlety. I use them as my default news browser and their headlines for the past 2 weeks prior to the Referendum were pointing out different institutions and people that supported the Remain campaign. Within the articles themselves they represented both sides fairly evenly, yet they consistently chose the Remain supporters in the text of the headline itself. They are not impartial or balanced (I still like them as a media source, all said and done. They suck less than most others).

By the way, Jeremy Corbyn, the head of Labour, is himself saying and has been saying that there will not be a 2nd referendum. If you consider the current affected market, you can consider what a 2nd long-anticipated referendum will do to the country and to its major trading partners. You can almost 100% guarantee that other credit rating agencies besides Moody's will further downgrade the UK if they hold a 2nd referendum. It's still very much possible that other agencies already will, but they haven't quite finished up their paperwork.

So I would say the chances of a 2nd referendum are extremely unlikely. Both Leave and Remain are united that it would cause further damage to the country.

A poster in this thread earlier pointed out that given the large number of immigrants that were allowed to easily vote in the Referendum, it shows that a larger number of native Britons than what might be realized support Leave. Obama and many other key allies of the UK all threw in their support of Remain, and it wasn't enough. And, let's not forget, 62% of Scots supporting Remain means that 38% support Leave. People act as though Scotland and N Ireland are impeccable strongholds of the EU, but that's still a huge minority. Imagine in the US if 38% of New Yorkers or Californians openly supported a referendum to be severed from D.C. That would be a big deal.

So, unfortunately, Leave has made quite a big impact on a grassroots level even in recognized EU strongholds. There's a significant level of division no matter where you go.
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Salamandre
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posted June 25, 2016 06:27 PM

JollyJoker] said:
Pardon my French, but no, it's a load of racist bullcrap.


Dude, sorry but I will repeat for the those having a hard time to dig the obvious. In every EU country there are dozens of nationalities, ethnics and origins. Do you often see complaints toward the russian community? The armenian? What about the Chinese one? The Hindu?

So far, so long. I search or try to remember a complaint, there is none. Europe REMAINS the preferred destination of immigration, all countries confounded. How this sounds racist to you, that millions of people from around the world choose to leave then live in a racist continent? They must really enjoy suffering, that's it for you?

So let's stop again this stinking mental gymnastic which consists in using the "you are a racist" bad rhetoric over and over, because it gets old and is more and more embarrassing when there are zero arguments supporting it.  

People voted for preserving their culture, they didn't vote AGAINST another culture.

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Kayna
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posted June 25, 2016 06:59 PM

What's nice about boards is that we won't suffer consequences for our "racist" statements. We live outside the mostly student bonono state ; we can say anything we want and not be denied the pussy until you change town. Even when all we question is the person deciding how many ethnics gets in your country every year, not the ethnic people themselves.

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JollyJoker
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posted June 25, 2016 08:21 PM

@ Salamndre
It's STILL racist bullcrap - just because you don't like that tag doesn't mean you don't deserve it.

Britain chose to colonize half the workd - France following close behind - and the result is that all kinds of people OF THEIR FORMER COLONIES have chosen to come into the land of their erstwhile master races. They do definitely NOT need the EU for immigrants, they just have it alone.

Lastly, you are not born in France, but Romania, so you ARE an immigrant yourself. It's the summit of hypocrisy as an immigrant to be against immigration; it's like, "now I DID manage to be part of a decent country the borders have to be closed so that the rabble I wanted to get away from cannot come as well."

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posted June 25, 2016 08:33 PM

Tsar-ivor said:
Not really, Scotland has been itching for independence for years now and that was not quashed with their failure to gain independence. Furthermore Scotland will have to apply to become members of the EU and defo won't be by default . If N.Ireland leave they're likely to unify wit the Republic of Ireland dunno how thst will impact their membership. This is unprecedented so we can only assume at this point.



Well, didn't Scotland chose to stay with UK mainly because they were members of the EU? That was an argument I heard often during Scotland's referendum for independence.

blizzardboy said:

Were Britons special because they were the only country that wanted to enjoy certain exceptions, or were they special because they were the only country that could get away with it?

The EU members knew perfectly well that an EU without the UK wouldn't be the same, and it made them very conciliatory. Would a minor country like Slovenia be able to negotiate those same exceptions?


You don't have to tell me, Romania wanted to enter EU so bad we would have accepted anything. Britain was and remains an influential player in the European scene, the pound was always stronger than the euro. But well, there was a time when UK really wanted to join EU, but 1st and 2nd applications were even vetoed by De Gaulle.

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Ebonheart
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posted June 25, 2016 08:42 PM
Edited by Ebonheart at 20:45, 25 Jun 2016.

JollyJoker said:
@ Salamndre
It's STILL racist bullcrap - just because you don't like that tag doesn't mean you don't deserve it.
It's bullcrap according to you based on that you proclaim it is correct. Remember, racism is race only. Sal aims his lash at the culture/ethnicity/behavior (which given have their foul words if one wants to use them).

JollyJoker said:
Britain chose to colonize half the workd - France following close behind - and the result is that all kinds of people OF THEIR FORMER COLONIES have chosen to come into the land of their erstwhile master races. They do definitely NOT need the EU for immigrants, they just have it alone.
Master races...now that's racism right there Jolly. Besides, who needs EU these days?

JollyJoker said:
Lastly, you are not born in France, but Romania, so you ARE an immigrant yourself. It's the summit of hypocrisy as an immigrant to be against immigration; it's like, "now I DID manage to be part of a decent country the borders have to be closed so that the rabble I wanted to get away from cannot come as well."

It's a difference between being an immigrant who accepts the new culture, laws, norms etc and not doing so. Sal (from what I understand atleast) have accepted that in a new country, there are new rules and ways of living. It is then quite understandable that he scoffs at those not doing it while draining others.
Immigration can be a good thing if the immigrant adapts to the new country and drop everything from the luggage that is not permitted/accepted by the new country's law or goes in a clash with the norms.
The problem is, that this is a very hard thing to do. It is very difficult to let go of your roots for something new (I think we can all grasp this). Thus, immigration might look good on the surface and the results can be epic, but it is a long way there and with a lot of hard choices for both the immigrants and populace of the country to make. If immigration with too opposite cultures happens and too fast, the result is the mess today.

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JollyJoker
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posted June 25, 2016 08:42 PM

The intetresting thing is, if Scotlanf really drops out of the UK and becomes an EU member, keeping the pound makes no sense - they'll probably switch to the Euro.

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Ebonheart
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posted June 25, 2016 08:46 PM

JollyJoker said:
The intetresting thing is, if Scotlanf really drops out of the UK and becomes an EU member, keeping the pound makes no sense - they'll probably switch to the Euro.

Probably yes, but it shall be interesting to see if they decide to leave UK to begin with.
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posted June 25, 2016 08:49 PM

Ebonheart said:
The problem is, that this is a very hard thing to do. It is very difficult to let go of your roots for something new (I think we can all grasp this). Thus, immigration might look good on the surface and the results can be epic, but it is a long way there and with a lot of hard choices for both the immigrants and populace of the country to make.


It's not they have much of a choice. Either suffer back home because of war or suffer in Europe because of certain prejudice.

Besides, it's either this or let the racism/religionism/ethnic-ism get stronger, enough to start riots against refugees. Besides, isn't this similar to the time, when Germany was split into communistic and capitalistic parts, especially Berlin? A lot of people moved (in secrecy, that is). This could be a partial reason why Germany has pro-refugee politics.
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posted June 25, 2016 08:52 PM

Ebonheart] said:
Probably yes, but it shall be interesting to see if they decide to leave UK to begin with.


oh it's just a matter of time as of yesterday buddy, take it from me lol
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