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angelito
angelito


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posted March 30, 2005 05:41 PM

There does already exist a thread with this topic and with many informations.

Look here: Stone Skin vs Shield
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RonaldMcD
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posted April 01, 2005 07:15 PM

Heavy reading.
Hard to do on an empty stomach.
I reccomend one of our highly nutritious salads for the intellectual types

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posted April 01, 2005 08:25 PM
Edited By: angelito on 1 Apr 2005

Finally done

One of the most valuable threads was moved from TOH forum to where it really belongs, to the library. It is now cleaned from Spam, bashing and offtopic disputes.

Also 5 more RED STARS were given.

3 given to Frank  (page 6, 8 and 13)
2 given to Lancelot (page 6 and 7)

Please keep this thread on topic and share all the tactics u have.....and stop spamming here!


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tigris
tigris


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posted April 06, 2005 06:31 PM bonus applied.
Edited By: angelito on 13 Apr 2005

I recreated Archie's fight as i think this tactic is brilliant and can be used in much more variated situations.Here is the original post to which i have made some small corrections.



UTOPE TACTIC

this is a situation not very common in games but when u have the option to use it, IT ROCKS.Ivor is not wearing all of his 2nd week army (alltho he had an external elf dwelling) He only use what he thinks he needs to master the dragons may their be 5 blacks or only 1. that dont matter to ivor .
edit:Ivor has 11/2/5/11 stats but as you'll see he won't use all 110 spell point.This fight can be done with 80 sp easy.Archie "forgot" to mention that ivor was exp earth/air/archery and at least basic wisdom.This is said not a very common situation for week 2, but nevertheless the posibilities are endless.(defeated 70 nagas with only 40 GE with these exact skills&stats)

The blacks and gold(s) had their go now its the pegasis turn

Cast haste and move pegasis to the left flank out of reach for the greens and reds, note that hasted grands go b4 reds and greens since they now have a speed of 12 (grass / ivor speed 14)Move grands to top left corner.


Next round start. Hasted pegasi go first. Cast force field and let the Grands do their stuff. Beaware that force field only lasts 2 rounds so when spell expires be sure your pegasis are still hasted, if they are not hasted, the blacks or golds will go first.


Next round cast bless(very useful in full topes, if you don't want to run out of shots that is )
Next just keep on casting force field, haste(only until you finish the blacks and the golds) and bless on the elves

Not alot of casulties and even some spell points left too. The trick is to have the proper set up so drags dont hit ranged units round 1. this can be done in a few different ways depending on quantity of ranged units and other potential targets for the dragons. U will need to do some research to understand the AI completly, thus knowing what set up to use with different armies.

This tactic (set up) used here i made for 130 setting or higher so if u play on less it wont work. The dragons will actually play smarter on that setting in this regard. Tactic works great with castle and tower aswell.

@edit:Keep in mind that this tactic will not work when you are the attacked by your oponent.If your troops are in the right hand side of the screen, the tip of the angle made by the two walls of exp force field will be facing you(like this: >), and instead of protecting you, it will allow a 3 hex wide breach on each side, more than enough to get your archers killed.This is most likely a bug, cos normally, when being attacked the force field should be placed like this:< so that it can offer protection from 2 hex attacks.




Edit by angelito

+QP given!

Good work here tigris. Illustration works better than only words. I´m sure some new players (and perhaps some older ones aswell..) will try out this tactic and feel stronger afterwards


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neophase
neophase

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posted April 11, 2005 07:58 AM

my tactics

I like to explore early with 2-3 heroes, to identify as many resource locations as possible, and travel by roads.

For building, I follow usually the same format:

Straight for capitol.
treasury, resource silo
creature dwellings up to the last one, all but last one (no dragons, angels, etc.
I don't upg creature dwellings til I've secured a few resource spots on the map
My main hero usually takes out all the monsters, while my 2nd/3rd/4th heroes gather resources, etc.
Main hero and 2nd best hero usually get exp chests.

My fav skills:
battle tactics, diplomacy, earth magic

I guess that's about it.... maybe more to come later.  Feedback appreciated.
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LordLazy
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posted April 11, 2005 09:33 AM

Your tactics is unfortunately useless. I think you can learn much from reading this thread

Good luck

With regards
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tigris
tigris


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posted April 13, 2005 04:28 PM

back to the utope tactic

Archie said it would work just fine for Castle and Tower too.Well for Tower i'm not that sure as hasted Master Gremlins will have speed 10 on neutral ground and 11 on snow.That equals the red drags speed even on snow.Having hasted gargoyles fodders that would move right after the blacks, will make the reds strike before the gremlins. Since you have no more power stacks to hit(only two stacks that have already been hit by golds&blacks), they will come down to your MGremlins.This means endfight.And it's not good..
Any suggestions on this one?
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angelito
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posted April 13, 2005 06:16 PM

Replace the silverpegasi with mastergenies.....expert haste on snow...speed 17...
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Plexus22
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Known Hero
posted April 13, 2005 06:51 PM

The only way I can think to make those master grems faster than reds is to expert haste and prayer on them or put them on a hero with grems as specialty or have arts that increase creature speed.

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angelito
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posted April 13, 2005 07:12 PM

The mastergremlins don´t have to be faster than the red dragons. Look at the illustration of tigris´ post. When golds and blacks attack like they do, the reds need twelve hexes to reach the mastergremlins, but only got 11 (on snow). So u can replace the pegasi with mastergenies, the dwarves with golems and the centaurs with gargoyles. Should still work fine...with expert haste...
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tigris
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posted April 14, 2005 07:11 AM

Lol Angelito i don't think i managed to say what i really meant.I was talking about the first round with 2 stacks of  golems and gargoyles gunned down by the golds&blacks it's now the master genie turn.I cast haste and then it's my gargoyles fodders turn.Then even on snow the reds will move before the gremlins do and kill them before they start to move.Both have speed 11 but the reds will move first
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posted April 14, 2005 09:49 AM

I know the reds will move before the mastergremlins do, but they won´t reach the gremlins!.
So the red dragons will attack a different fodder, and then on the mg´s turn, u can place them to the left corner like u did with the grandelves. Next round (mass haste casted first round), Mastergenies start first and u can cast forcefield and use same tactic like u did on rampart.
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patriot_pulsar
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posted April 14, 2005 02:28 PM

Guys i was reading all ur tactics but i still cant understand how u do that :S  U telling me that u can possible take full tope with just 50 elfs and fooders without even loses or u include resurection?? Same about archei tactic for me not nativ speaker it is hard to understand how u do that

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tigris
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posted April 14, 2005 03:37 PM

Quote:
I know the reds will move before the mastergremlins do, but they won´t reach the gremlins!.



First of all thanx for the qp Angelito(personally i don't think i deserve that, but i received some positive apreciations from some members and i think maybe this might be helpful sometimes).

The problem with tower for me is as follows.I started with 150 mgremlins, 25 golems and 34 gargoyles in my army.But the gold dragons always attacked the gremlins first.I tried increasing the stacks number to 35 golems and 54 gargoyles, but after the goldies targeted the golems, the blacks seemed scared by the gargoyles and always attacked the gremlins.I modified the golems and gargs number many times , but with little result.So i decided i should lower the mgremlins number instead.I tried with 120 gremlins with different formations and different numbers of golems and gargoyles, but still the dragons acted unpredictable.So i lowered even more to 100 mgremlins.Even like this, the dragons didn't attack the gremlins only when they were on slot#4(middle of the second row).So when i placed on slot#1(where the reds couldn't reach them) the blacks attacked them instead of the gargoyles.I don't know the cause of this, but this is how it happened.Anyway personally i don't think this would work  cos the gremlins would just run out of shots.Make the math yourself:Ge have 24 shots, mgremlins only 8.I think the damage performed by 40 GE is bigger than that done by 150 GE(even with bless)..Let's say 300hp/shot*8 shots it's 2.4 k, not enough to take down even the smallest tope.  
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Ruho
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posted April 14, 2005 05:20 PM

Use ammo cart to gain unlimited shots. When I tested that tactic I realized myself that it works also in places like Utopia although u can't see the cart.

Also the tactic worked for me. The formation I used was: 1MGe, Mage, 150MGr, 15SGo, 1MGe, 24SGa, 1SGa.

Goldies attacked Golems and blocked MGs. Blackies attacked Golems too. I moved Genies to corner and placed the single Gargoyle under the Goldies so that Reds couldn't attack MGs  and instead of it they killed both stacks of Gargoyles.

1 Mage is great fodder as it lowers the mana cost a lot and Genies are great to boost your MGs and u won't even lose those Genies. When I first time tried it, my only Genie casted Bless, Precision and Prayer

And btw, nice work Tigris! I hope u renew Archie's Hive-tactic too.

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tigris
tigris


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posted April 14, 2005 05:28 PM

10x for the kind words ruho!

I did not know that the ammo cart works in topias/crypts/stores/treasureries.This is very interesting!!

One question though:u said both the godies and the blacks went for your golems round 1.You also said you had 15 golems.This leads me to the conclusion that you weren't facing a full tope as 5 golds would surely kill the 15 golems in their first strike.Np though... i'm sure that if the info about the ammo cart is correct this trick can be done with tower too. One just needs to play a little with the troops values in different possitions.

I'll try the hive trick right away!
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Ruho
Ruho


Hired Hero
posted April 14, 2005 05:42 PM

My bad. I just read that It didn't seem to work and tested it few times with army I should be able to get everytime week2, but didn't notice that u were trying it in full house. Yes, it was'nt full. 3 Goldies.

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Ruho
Ruho


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posted April 14, 2005 06:04 PM

This formation seems to work in a full tope: 22SGa, 1MGe, 150MGr, 15SGo, 1MGe, 1Mage, 1 SGa.

But my lvl1 Orrin with needed 2ry secondary skills + expert archery, 8 attack skill, 5 spell power, 6 knowledge ran out off spell points barely harming them

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Plexus22


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posted April 14, 2005 07:13 PM

Quote:
Guys i was reading all ur tactics but i still cant understand how u do that :S  U telling me that u can possible take full tope with just 50 elfs and fooders without even loses or u include resurection?? Same about archei tactic for me not nativ speaker it is hard to understand how u do that


Yes the tope can be taken with just 50 GE's and only losing fodder troops because the forcefield spell when set up correctly (refer to tigris pictures) prevents the dragons from killing elves and pegasis. Also note that the hero MUST have expert air magic (mass haste) for this to work successfully

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csarmi
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posted April 15, 2005 12:01 AM

In a full tope there are 5 blacks and 6 golds right?

Now 5 blacks can already kill all your master gremlins so your only hope is to put enough golems/gargoyles that the dragons would be able to do full damage BUT your fodders would not retal.

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