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alcibiades
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posted March 08, 2008 12:46 PM |
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Not bad. Lucky for you, I'm really tired after yesterday's party and don't have the power to nitpick. So only one question:
Could you explain again what exactly the smoke cone ability does? (hell horse's offensive upgrades)
I hope you'll wake up later and do some nitpicking, then, because that's the best way of improving. 
Anyway, reading the description of the Smoke Cone, I must admit it does not make much sense. I think the idea was that when attacking, it could cover an area in smoke, like this:
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Creatures standing within the cone would then suffer some sort of penalty like reduced sight or maybe reduced Initiative. The 20 % cover I write makes little sense, so I guess that should be changed to, say, -20 % Intiative and 50 % miss chance on ranged attacks?
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Orfinn
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posted March 08, 2008 03:49 PM |
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Yeah Werewolves, yay werewolves and bring em on and her them howl's!
What about Mancubies/Mancubus in that inferno faction? Just a thought. Maybe its enough to have its female version the Succubus in there and that it creates some diversity in gender, since most seems to be male demons and devils.
And I wont see a Doom Knight in Necropolis..first off it sounds to Infernoish, second Necromancers dont want ultimate DOOM but just live on as undeads without causing annhilation of other races on Ashan. They kinda clean up after wars, harvesting dead bodies from the battlefield instead of letting them lie behind and rot and polute the landscape.
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TheDeath
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posted March 08, 2008 03:51 PM |
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And I wont see a Doom Knight in Inferno..first off it sounds to Infernoish, second Necromancers dont want ultimate DOOM but just live on as undeads.
many other games have Doom Knights in undeads 
besides, Necromancers want control, and doom (of others) is part of it. They are not simply 'neutral creatures that want to be left alone'? 
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posted March 08, 2008 03:53 PM |
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Well if many other games have it, why should H6? Think orginality for Ashas sake.
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TheDeath
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posted March 08, 2008 03:56 PM |
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going that way and we will run out of skeletons/vampires/zombies and all others 
but I thought it was a good alternative to the Death Knight, nevermind it then
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alcibiades
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posted March 09, 2008 12:15 AM |
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Necropolis will not be up before I've finished looking at your feedback on Inferno - and redone some names, thanx for the input so far - but I can lift the veil a bit and reveal that there currently is no Doom-anything in Necropolis. But don't give up on Necropolis just yet for that reason. 
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Mytical
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posted March 09, 2008 09:09 AM |
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A little confusing, but not over all a bad idea. The only thing is, that Heroes has always been a Turn Based, and I personally believe it should remain such. Now a spin-off would be fine, Called like Kingdoms of Might and Magic or something.
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Mytical
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posted March 09, 2008 10:00 AM |
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It does seem interesting, though I am not a RTS person. This is one I might actually give a try (like Warcraft and Starcraft which I played). Hopefully for us 'single player' types, there is an option to pause if you need time to consider your next move  .
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alcibiades
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posted March 09, 2008 11:20 AM |
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Sorry, but you're hi-jacking my thread for something which is completely off-topic here. Please continue discussion here
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posted March 09, 2008 11:33 AM |
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Indeed, my appologies. Btw, your concept is amazing. Are we going to hear more soon?
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alcibiades
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posted March 09, 2008 11:54 AM |
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Yeah, I'm updating Inferno now, and intend to upload Necropolis later.
Next step comes with Necropolis. Again, units are presented with upgrades and abilities, but stats are not made. To see unit details, click on the image with the basic name.
I will like to do one comment - a lot of units have morale reducing abilities. When I made this, it seemed like a good idea, because it will create a good synergy for Necropolis units and skills, but on revisiting it, some might be exchanged to create more variation. Here's the draft at least.
Heroes: Necromancer (might!) and Mystic (?).
Alignment: Evil, Order, Radical.
Portefolios: Death, Slavery, Air.
Opposed Faction: Sylvan(!).
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posted March 09, 2008 02:16 PM |
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Heroes: Necromancer (might!) and Mystic (?).
Heroes: Deathbringer / Reaver or the classic Death Knight (might) Necromancer (magic)
BTW: Like you ideas Alc, but one thing I wonder about, why 8th tiers? Nothing negative about it, I just ask
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posted March 09, 2008 02:18 PM |
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Well my first suggestion would be to make the Wights Tier 7 and Dark Knights Tier 6 -- and that's not only because I like them more, but because we already have some 'knights' at that tier (Haven).
As for zombies, I don't think Ghoul and Ghast fit them, because those are supposed to be different creatures (and not slow moving and all that), I mean at least it's how I always saw them in other games/myths. If you run out of names, I recommended two in page 1, Slurper or Cadavre (Cadaver, whatever).
I would also change Apparition into Shadow, and Fear Dragon into Dire Dragon.
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posted March 09, 2008 02:28 PM |
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Another bout of name-related comments...
Level 1: Pretty homogenous Skeleton names, I'd suggest:
Skeleton - Skeletal Guard - Skeletal Bowman
Skeleton - Skeletal Warrior - Dark Legionnaire
Level 2: Mostly great, though I'd change "Plague Zombie" to "Revenant".
Level 3: Perfect names IMO.
Level 4: Pretty stilted here again. So many titles for so many warriors - 600 Kings in one army, blech. May I suggest:
Vampire - Vampire Lord - Nosferatu
Vampire - Feral Vampire - Bloodsucker
Level 5: So many Liches! How about:
Lich - Reaver - Shadow Reaver
Lich - Lich Acolyte - Power Lich
There are better names than this, of course.
Level 6: Great names.
Level 7: Maybe space out the names a little, how about:
Dark Lord - Dark Knight - Dark Champion(? less dread)
Dark Lord - Shadow Lord - Dread Lord
Level 8: These are pretty good, perhaps Fear Dragon could be better but I can't think of anything good in its place.
This is of course just some food for thought, I don't want to undermine your great work or anything
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posted March 09, 2008 02:39 PM |
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Also Instead of Vampire Prince-> Vampire King
There could be Vampire Baron/Duke ---> Vampire Duke/Prince
I know this issue have been beaten dead multiple times but does it make any sense having 50+ vampire Kings for example? Titles should make sense. For very high tiers, this shouldnt be such a big problem, since lvl 7 and 8 are not as many in numbers as the other tiers.
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GenieLord
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posted March 09, 2008 02:45 PM |
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Skelton - Good!
Walking Dead - Perfect! 
Spirit sounds like a good, innocent, charmed creature. Maybe something like "Evil Spirit" or "Cursed Spirit" would be better. The rest are very good, though.
 I have to say that there are just too many of the Vampire's ranks here, and it gets a bit dull. Maybe you can do one of the options for the proffesions and do something with the Nosferatu as the second option.
Where is Power Lich?
Wight - Excellent!
Darklord - Nice.
1. Fear Dragon?
2. How can a Ghost Dragon be Skeletal?
3. Haven't we finished the discussions of "Why we don't need an Incorporeal 7th level creature"?
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posted March 09, 2008 02:49 PM |
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Either you're getting better or I'm getting worse. Only 2.5 comments:
Level 1:
in the deffensive path, does skeletal+large shield gives him immunity to all ranged non-shooting attacks?
Level 8:
offensive: I dislike the combination of Fearful presence and Despairing Attack. Too much morale reducers, especially when taking into account other units' and hero's abilities. Maybe change Despairing Attack to Fear or something.
deffensive: I understand why you didn't make Ghost Dragon Incorporeal, but a Skeletal Ghost Dragon sounds silly. Maybe you could add some negative ability to it that will be removed when it's upgraded to Spectral Dragon?
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posted March 09, 2008 02:51 PM |
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Where is Power Lich?
Repeat that name a few times and you will see. I mean which Lich dosent have the power?? Anyway which creatures dont have power? Why should we have such an obvious name?
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posted March 09, 2008 02:55 PM |
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Where is Power Lich?
Repeat that name a few times and you will see. I mean which Lich dosent have the power?? Anyway which creatures dont have power? Why should we have such an obvious name?
It's just... Classic.
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Orfinn
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posted March 09, 2008 03:01 PM |
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Because its classic, dosent mean it fits or makes sense. NWC may have not put to much thought on otherwise silly name, it may have stuck as a good name there and then, but when thinking deeper on such names as Power Lich it all gets clearer, at least for me. That its time to a more creative and logical name.
Anyway, this is going a bit off topic. So I'll say no more on that subject.
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