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posted September 12, 2014 07:07 PM bonus applied by alcibiades on 07 Nov 2014.
Edited by Stevie at 13:25, 14 Sep 2015.

~ Heroes VII - Shadow Council ~




                                                                          ... your direct door to Might & Magic Heroes VII development!




Keeping the lines of the OpenDev as seen with Might & Magic X - Legacy, Limbic and Ubisoft presented us the idea of the Shadow Council with the official announcement of Heroes VII. In this way the fans are given the opportunity to express themselves and have an impact on the development of the game. Various votes are opened and the public decides which features to be brought to the game. More info on the Shadow Council can be found here.


This thread will try to follow how the votes progress and see how that compares to the community's Polls. Updates will keep you informed about the latest developments as well as the conclusions of the votes that close.





~ Sylvan vs Fortress ~

Choose the fifth faction:

I. Sylvan - 66%
II. Fortress - 34%

Website vote page - Link
HC poll thread - Link

Vote Status: Closed. Assigned time - 30 days.
End of the vote: September 11th - CDT 5p.m // BST 11p.m // CEST: 12a.m
Vote Conclusion: Sylvan won the vote with a majority of 66%








~ Sylvan Line-up ~

Choose your Sylvan line-up:

I. The Strength of the Forest - 26% (18,01% official)
II. Earth's Perfect Balance - 31% (36,71% official)
III. Sylanna's Fury - 43% (45,28% official)

Website vote page - Link
HC poll thread - Link

Vote Status: Closed. Assigned time - 14 days.
End of the vote: September 26th - CDT 5p.m // BST 11p.m // CEST: 12a.m
Vote Conclusion: After the recounting of votes it's been revealed that Fury won with 45,28%








~ Dungeon vs Inferno ~

Choose the sixth faction:

I. Dungeon - 56%
II. Inferno - 44%

Website vote page - Link
HC poll thread - Link

Vote Status: Closed. Assigned time - 29 days.
End of the vote: October 31th - CDT 5p.m // BST 11p.m // CEST: 12a.m
Vote Conclusion: The winner of the vote was Dungeon with 56%.








~ Collector's Edition vote, part 1 ~

Choose the Ivan Figurine pose:

I. Strategist - 69%
II.   Warrior - 31%

Website vote page - Link
HC poll thread - Link

Vote Status: Closed. Assigned time - 15 days.
End of the vote: October 17th - CDT 5p.m // BST 11p.m // CEST: 12a.m
Vote Conclusion: The Strategist won the vote with a majority of 66%








~ Dungeon Line-up ~

Choose your Dungeon line-up:

- First Phase -
I. The Blade from the Shadows - 36% (31% official)
II. Malassa's Thousand Faces - 31% (48% official)
III. The Shield of Darkness - 33% (21% official)

Website vote page - Link
HC poll thread - Link

Vote Status: Closed. Assigned time - 7 days.
End of the vote: November 7th - CDT 5p.m // BST 11p.m // CEST: 12a.m
Vote Conclusion: Vote recount revealed Blades (31%) and Faces (48%) entering the second phase.




- Second Phase -
I. The Blade from the Shadows - 44% (36% official)
II. Malassa's Thousand Faces - 56% (64% official)

Website vote page - Link
HC poll thread - Link

Vote Status: Closed. Assigned time - 7 days.
End of the vote: November 14th - CDT 5p.m // BST 11p.m // CEST: 12a.m
Vote Conclusion: Malassa's Thousand Faces received 64% of the votes.








~ Sylvan Townscreen ~

Choose your Sylvan Townscreen:

- First Phase -
I. The Forest Sanctum - 32%
II. The Tree Island - 68%

Website vote page - Link
HC poll thread - Link

Vote Status: Closed. Assigned time - 4 days.
End of the vote: Sunday 09/11, 23:59 CET
Vote Conclusion: The Tree Island won the vote with 68% votes in favor.




- Second Phase -
I. Harmony in the Moonlight - 63%
II. Dance of a new Dawn - 37%

Website vote page - Link
HC poll thread - Link

Vote Status: Closed. Assigned time - 4 days.
End of the vote: Thursday 13/11, 23:59 CET
Vote Conclusion: Harmony in the Moonlight won the vote with 63%.








~ Collector's Edition vote, part 2 ~

Choose between the Griffin Flag and the Tarot Card Game:

I. Griffin Dutchy Flag - 24%
II. Deck of Tarot Cards - 76%

Website vote page - Link
HC poll thread - Link

Vote Status: Closed. Assigned time - 7 days.
End of the vote: December 5th - CDT 5p.m // BST 11p.m // CEST: 12a.m
Vote Conclusion: The Collector's Edition will contain a Tarot Deck.








~ Collector's Edition vote, part 3 ~

Choose between the Original Soundtrack and Lithographic Prints:

I. Soundtrack - 54%
II. Lithographic Prints - 46%

Website vote page - Link
HC poll thread - Link

Vote Status: Closed. Assigned time - 6 days.
End of the vote: December 12th - CDT 5p.m // BST 11p.m // CEST: 12a.m
Vote Conclusion: The Collector's Edition will contain a Sountrack CD.

Update - it has later been decided that the Collector Edition will contain both the Soundtrack CD and the Lithographic Prints - Link








~ Dungeon Townscreen ~

Choose your Dungeon Townscreen:

I. Faceless Memories - 67%
II. Star of the Deeps - 33%

Website vote page - Link
HC poll thread - Link

Vote Status: Closed. Assigned time - 6 days.
End of the vote: December 15th - CDT 5p.m // BST 11p.m // CEST: 12a.m
Vote Conclusion: Faceless Memories has been chosen by 67% of fans.








~ Lich design ~

Choose the design of the Lich:

I. The Priest of Death - 36%
II. The Undead Sorcerer - 29%
III. The Ancient Mummy - 35%

Website vote page - Link
HC poll thread - Link

Vote Status: Closed. Assigned time - 4 days.
End of the vote: March 29th, 23:59 CET
Vote Conclusion: The Priest of Death wins with only 1% difference from the second place.








~ Vampire design ~

Choose the design of the Vampire:

I. The Vampire Knight - 25%
II. The Night Lady - 37%
III. The Blood Monster - 38%

Website vote page - Link
HC poll thread - Link

Vote Status: Closed. Assigned time - 4 days.
End of the vote: March 29th, 23:59 CET
Vote Conclusion: The Blood Monster wins by a 1% margin from the second option.








~ Second Beta Factions Vote ~

Choose the faction which you want to be included in the upcoming Beta. Top 2 get selected for the new build:

I. Stronghold - 11%
II. Necropolis - 27%
III. Sylvan - 29%
IV. Dungeon - 33%

Website vote page - Link
HC poll thread - Link

Vote Status: Closed. Assigned time - 14 days.
End of the vote: July 14th, 23:59 CET
Vote Conclusion: Dungeon and Sylvan get to be featured in the second Beta.








Other non-Shadow Council related community Polls:


~ Do you like elves and dwarves having their own faction? ~ - Link

~ Which system would you like regarding boarding/landing on boats ? ~ - Link

~ A heroes game without knights and elves? ~ - Link

~ Humanoid or beastlike Inferno? ~ - Link

~ Dragons as champion units. ~ - Link

~ Regarding the Magic System ~ (part 1 of Feature Showdown!) - Link

~ Swordbearer ~ - Link

~ How do you prefer the Emerald Warrior / Emerald Knight ~ - Link

~ Should Ashan be scraped? ~ - Link

~ Regarding the Lineups ~ - Link

~ HC's Sylvan line-up alternative ~ - Link

~ Blade dancer, male or female ? ~ - Link

~ Female Armor & The Emerald Warrior ~ - Link

~ Mythological Creatures.. Heroes7 ~ - Link

~ Upgrades ~ - Link

~ Which Phoenix Do You Want to See? ~ - Link

~ Deer or Unicorn ? ~ - Link

~ Dungeon ~ Inferno ~ - Link

~ H7 Skillwheel Poll ~ - Link

~ Vampires! ~ - Link

~ What race do you want as the 6th ? ~ - Link

~ Colors of Factions ~ - Link

~ Change the interface!!! ~ - Link

~ Your first Heroes game.. ~ - Link

~ The worst from the best > Factions ~ - Link

~ Would you like to be able to play the music themes from the previous game? ~ - Link

~ Would you like a vote about Necro/Stronghold line-ups too? ~ - Link

~ Hero races ~ - Link

~ Hero mounts ~ - Link

~ Sylvan voting - what was your final vote? ~ - Link

~ MMH7 Initiative System ~ (part 2 of Feature Showdown!) - Link

~ Global Town Level Requirement ~ - Link

~ Suggestion Poll: Expandable Towns ~ - Link

~ Sanctuary vs Swamp-Fortress ~ - Link

~ MMH7 Creature Abilities (Quantity, Balancing, Individuality) ~ - Link

~ Boarding/landing ship : Hero mvt points penalty ~ - Link

~ Striders - Yea or nay? ~ - Link

~ Medusa Vs. Matriarch ~ - Link

~ Ashan-based Lineups, do you even care? ~ - Link

~ Magic Resistance or Protection? ~ (part 3 of Feature Showdown!) - Link

~ Black Knight or Dullahan? ~ - Link

~ Racials: Yay or Nay ~ - Link

~ Liches, skelatal or humanoid? ~ - Link

~ Game Speed ~ - Link

~ Random Skill System Implementation ~ (part 4 of Feature Showdown!) - Link

~ Regarding Flanking ~ (part 5 of Feature Showdown!) - Link

~ 2D or 3D Townscreens ? ~ - Link

~ What If Sanctuary Looked More Like Snakes? ~ - Link

~ How do you feel about the direction in which Heroes 7 is going? ~ - Link

~ Did you like MMH6 Necropolis? ~ - Link

~ Necro elites: Would you like a change? ~ - Link

~ SPIDERS - yay or nay ~ - Link

~ Druids, male or female? ~ - Link

~ Color-coding, do you like it or not? ~ - Link

~ Poll about predicting the Paris event aftermath ~ - Link

~ Ultimate H7 faction poll ~ - Link

~ Regarding Unit Sizes ~ (part 6 of Feature Showdown!) - Link

~ Who would you choose to develop HoMM ? ~ - Link

~ What do you think of the MMH7 skill system insofar? ~ - Link

~ Will you pre-order Heroes 7? ~ - Link

~ Heroes 7 Demo - yay or nay ~ - Link

~ Flanking System and Hexagons. ~ - Link

~ Heroes 7 - Yea or Nay ~ - Link

~ Diplomacy Poll ~ - Link

~ How old are you? ~ - Link

~ Approach to Town Building ~ - Link

~ Improved Emerald Dragon Model? ~ - Link

~ HC at the Bookies: how bad will Heroes 7's release be lol ~ - Link

~ Arcane Knowledge - yay or nay ~ - Link

~ Heroes VII - a game for 2015? ~ - Link

~ Week of the Storm ~ - Link

~ Will you buy Heroes VII? ~ Link

~ Heroes 7 coming out 29 september or delayed? ~ - Link

~ Servey servey ~ - Link

~ In retrospective, do we need 3d? ~ - Link



Updating suspended as of Monday, September 14, 2015.

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posted September 19, 2014 02:04 PM

wow you do upgrade info here! thanks! i might not have to visit that blasted site all the time! i'll just check here!

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posted September 19, 2014 07:57 PM

ChrisD1 said:
wow you do upgrade info here! thanks! i might not have to visit that blasted site all the time! i'll just check here!


I try to keep this updated as much as possible

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posted October 19, 2014 12:51 PM

If they need the fans to come up with a good game then their not a good company sorry!

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posted October 19, 2014 12:59 PM

aegisdivine said:
If they need the fans to come up with a good game then their not a good company sorry!

There's a difference between "needing help" and "asking for our opinion". Did they ask us to code the game for them ? I don't think so. They're asking us what we want in the game so people will stop crying about them not listening to us ... but even when they ask for our opinion, there are still people complaining.

I'm in no way defending Ubi, I hate them with a passion (just like EA), but people who b*tch just for the sake of b*tching just piss me off. Funnily, if there was no Ubisoft involved, I'm sure you would salute the developers for communicating with the fans.

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posted October 19, 2014 07:59 PM

Totally agree with Nelgirith. When H6 was released and it was so poorly released, full of bugs and with endless problems with patches I totally understood and even defended outright bashing to Ubisoft, because they really screwed then.

But so far, Ubilimbic is holding a great relationship with the fans. We may agree or disagree with Shadow Council decisions (Sylvan Fury, yeah ) but they're working on getting the fans opinion on different subjects, through Shadow Council votes, through VIPs...it's really sad to bash them for this
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posted October 19, 2014 10:00 PM
Edited by alcibiades at 22:01, 19 Oct 2014.

Sylvan voting was a disaster in the way it was executed, but we can't fault them for trying to involve us in decision making. At least they do seem to have learned from mistakes when it comes to how they plan to do Dungeon/Inferno line-up votes.
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posted November 14, 2014 02:28 PM

Indeed the Dungeon line-up vote went way better than Sylvan. A two phases vote gives more accurate results as politics of voting for the second best are rendered useless now. Also I'm glad to see that they chose to keep the results hidden for the duration of the votes which was a necessity. Sadly that won't be able to directly impede cheating but only partially, so The Purge might become a reality for many more votes to come.

Still, improvements were made and I'm glad to see that the devs have addressed the most important issues. I think we'll have some nice voting sessions from now on.

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posted April 21, 2015 01:36 PM

It took me around six months but maybe I see a slice of hope for Ubisoft to implement a proper platform for actual feedback done at the dev blog?


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posted April 25, 2015 04:15 PM

So here is what happened at the Shadow Council dev blog after I copy-pasted some of the constructive criticism provided by Elvin in the Skill System Redesign thread from 2012:



I wonder when they are going to do something about the flooding.

And still, some people don't get it when some long time fans are loosing it down there (I am far from being the only one).
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posted April 25, 2015 04:35 PM

So when you and handful of other 'long term fans' flood - it's ok but when someone else is a no no? In my book flooding is bad regardless of whether you think yours is justified.

Also, just because I enjoy heroes 6, and overall direction of heroes 7 somehow makes me non 'long term fan' .? May be because it's out of fashion? Those 'long term fans' have already messed my heroes 7 enough for me - with troglodytes and such.

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posted April 25, 2015 04:38 PM
Edited by Zombi_Wizzard at 16:40, 25 Apr 2015.

I LIKE SKILLWHEEL SYSTEM
GalladleHaut is PSYCHOPATH and CRIMINAL

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Just kidding you m8. These are the reasons I stay outside of blog and only stick around here, where atmosphere is much more civil...

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posted April 25, 2015 04:40 PM

Hermes said:
So when you and handful of other 'long term fans' flood - it's ok but when someone else is a no no? In my book flooding is bad regardless of whether you think yours is justified.

No, neither is ok.
What I've been trying to say is, if you want people to act civilized, offer them a civilized platform. Is not that hard really.
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posted April 27, 2015 04:58 PM
Edited by Dies_Irae at 17:01, 27 Apr 2015.

I don't think I'll mind the Troglodytes. In fact, I'm very much in favor of seeing things return that were once there in older installments. Creatures, heroes even....That way, you can get the goodies you had back then in a new and upgraded environment. The downside to that is of course continuity. What are those 'heroes of old' doing in Ashan, which has nothing whatsoever to do with Enroth?

I voted for Thousand Faces, long ago. I just like the general idea of the line-up, besides...it's long since we've last seen Medusae etc in Dungeon. Let's give them another time to shine.

Galaad, even a civilized platform like this, with its numerous moderators, can from time to time be derailed by spam as you yourself have proven before. The difference between here and the SC, however, is that mods act quickly here and are also able to suspend people. And not everyone simply has an account here, but they do flock together in the MMH7 blog. The SC is not much of an organized platform, but that doesn't mean everybody should be running around like maniacs. A bit of common sense won't hurt, and that goes for all of us. People are dissatisfied, that is a certainty, but the way it is expressed is beyond limit. And if you say flooding is wrong, don't be part of the bad example that is set before everyone else . You can't stop the flooding by flooding, it only gets worse.

Too bad it is exactly that which draws the dev's attention. It should not be like that. Oh, the paradox. I better get back to Asha, I need Her guidance in these difficult times.
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posted April 27, 2015 09:58 PM

Most forums I know have a 30-second limit on posting.

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posted April 28, 2015 02:13 AM

Dies Irae,

Of course I agree with your bottom line. You are not the only who disagrees with my methods, but the truth is simply that I cannot avoid to try to do something about it. I know since the beginning the Shadow Council has no real influence on the game. Factions and lineups votings screamed marketing and most likely the #GURS was part of the scheme since they asked us to ask for it. They even told us when spammed enough about it. New year present? To tell us how much of an influence we have on the game? Please, I hope you realize now with the skill system issue that the only influence we have is the one they allow us to have. Will we have a deer or a unicorn in Sylvan lineup? Will the community vote out a one-time appearance faction in the game in favor of scraping an all-times popular faction? We are now labeled as conservative because of that, you read the article.

You rightly speak about common sense, but you should know just as much as me –given your investment in the SC- that common sense is not what prevails in an optimized-for-flooding place. Each and every one user can post a comment every three seconds or so. What happens when lots of people are connected? Or during the votings when we probably had a minimum of 100+ people with the frenetic mindset of “making your voice count” SC taught us? Common sense would be to realize that it is highly utopic to think a reasonable environment can be done in the way the blog is built, especially with nowadays internet hyper-active generation of twitter and facebook etc.

The main difference with SC and HC is not only that HC is being moderated, well-organized, and protected by excessive spam and flooding (although the H7 discussion thread grows abnormally fast). The main difference is that HC is a fan forum while SC is a marketing gallery, thus I don’t even agree they are comparable.

Now users are being silenced if they decide to post a high amount of posts (although there is no post restriction) and the chaos goes on and will go on until something is done. Deep inside, I think it is voluntary from Ubisoft to offer an impossible platform for feedback so it can be easier to dismiss the fan base's opinion, but I could be wrong.

All in all, I think we are both high utopists, Marblethrone.
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posted April 28, 2015 03:35 PM
Edited by Oakwarrior at 15:36, 28 Apr 2015.

Strange of you to say that the SC has no real influence on the game when me and my colleagues, and our daily work, are affected by each decision made there
The platform as such was in fact tailor-made to influence the game and it already has. And, personally, I think the influence has been positive - so far at least.

By your example - If it hadn't been for the #GURS, there might have been no random skilling.

But it's not perfect, of course. Staying civil is a big issue currently.

TL;DR: We are not the Illuminati - not everything is marketing

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posted April 28, 2015 03:40 PM

People are just so bewildered and frustrated by the latest article that they say things (true or not) that they'll maybe later come to regret. I myself am fighting the sentiment just as we speak, it's been like this ever since.
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posted April 28, 2015 03:44 PM

People are not happy about the skill system and there's that.
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posted April 28, 2015 04:07 PM

The Shadow Council came as a good thing. It showed to me this is not the game I want to play. This is more than what I got back in H6 when  didn't have a clue of what to expect.

Although I'm not concerned about this franchise future anymore, it could end 'yesterday' for all I care, I got a bit wary reading in that article that the game is not RPG. Pure RPG, I think they meant? Basically, it's a RPG turn-based strategy all the same. Many other genres are adding (for years now) to them RPG elements – I wonder why ... – and these elements, features; they always drew my attention, made me play games I otherwise wouldn't play even before I understood the concept per se.

Evolving, growing and playing you role in the game. This is adamant to me. I like to think that there's not much limitation on how far you can go. I like to spend time playing things like that.

I also like depths and plenty of ways to evolve a Hero, some of them out of my power if needed be (random), possibilities to shape your hero accordingly to what you do on the map (based on proficiency), a very expressive uniqueness for each hero.

Well, after a couple of months watching articles showing basically artworks, it was clear to me that mechanics were going to come and they weren't going to change. The few clues about them weren't pleasurable, so I had to conclude that this was another game out of my range of interest, as H6 was.

I was lured at the beginning after learning that some features I despised in H6 were no more, or were 'fixed' in a sense that I felt ok about them. After that, I basically only had disappointments one after the other.

So, the SC served its purpose. Saved my time in daydreaming and hoping for something that won't reach me.

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