kko said:

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So I was looking through one of the out-of-the-box HotA (1.5.3) maps called 'The Challenge' in the map editor, and I noticed something... interesting... about the Two Way Sea Portals.



The above image is of the portal at 11,24 (some items were removed from the map for clarity) but from what I can see, all of them are like that. Here's what's interesting here.

There's a White Two Way Sea Portal sitting on top of what is made to look like a patch of kelp but is in fact a weird form of Purple Portal One Way Exit (or a two way portal, depending on which message you trust - the description or the tooltip).

Now - I know you can modify objects to look like other objects. I wonder if it's the case here (perhaps to enable some unusual portal traversal mechanics?) or if that's a bug or something else entirely. Anyone from the HotA team cares to comment?

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bloodsucker said:

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Nik312 said:

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Necro strength (not weakness) is potentially a problem, but we'll see after magic rebalance.

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I'm not saying it's weak, I'm saying skeleton farming is already strong enough with other towns. For me it would make sense if it was way better when Necropolis is your starting town but I watched the stream you posted of Gomunguls with Thant and VLs. Yes, in the hands of a pro that is more then enough to make the town strong, not weak.

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nordos said:

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Lets go through the lineup:
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All in all, I only see problem,s with T3 and T7 due to HP issues. If they get a bit more HP (and the Wraiths a bit better stats compared to Wights), it should be a fine lineup.
The one I feel is far weaker is Fortress.

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NimoStar said:

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eems bad design that Necropolis relies on one or two overpowered hjeroes to just be a viable faction.

It is preferrable to nerf heroes and uplift towns than the opposite.


Powerful town with weak heroes: Many starting possibilities and game variation since you have freer choice.

Weak town with 1 or 2 op staring heroes: Gameplay is repetitive since there is just one way to do it "right"

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Lth3 said:

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nik312 said:

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Lth3 said:

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but maybe i'm doing something wrong in HotA - Necro should be played differently or smth.

Sav said:

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From what I can see on the streams, town balance is fairly good now and there is no reason to change it again.

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please show me a decent HotA Necropolis stream. i would like to learn, if what you're saying is true

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I could probably address all the rest of it, but it is better to see once than to keep reading about it: https://youtu.be/WJZhB8c7bVI?t=20m6s
May find some other games later, if you wish. There are a lot, but they expire quickly on twitch.
Naturally, if any commentary is present, it is all in Russian.

What you're probably doing wrong is heavily underusing vampire lords. And Thant. Also, probably not splitting your army effectively enough. These are the most common mistakes with Necro nowadays.

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seems like Necropolis is stronger than i previously thought. such extremes are only possible with Thant however, where you have the possibility of resurrecting hundreds of them at a time. no matter how many you lose, if you have mana you end up winning the battle without a single loss. naturally, if Jebus Cross template allows Galthran, Thant is still considerably a better choice for a starting hero, i would think. playing a Death Knight Necropolis would get pretty weak pretty fast, since you end up losing Skeletons by the masses e.g. Dragon Utopia, Conservatory, and raise only a fraction afterwards

so Thant is the one and only exception that makes Necropolis a viable faction, as of my understanding

maybe up the Necromancy percentages and nerf Thant instead?

like Animate Dead requiring Earth magic to be permanent, as an example

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nordos said:

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nik312 said:

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I could probably address all the rest of it, but it is better to see once than to keep reading about it: https://youtu.be/WJZhB8c7bVI?t=20m6s
May find some other games later, if you wish. There are a lot, but they expire quickly on twitch.
Naturally, if any commentary is present, it is all in Russian.

What you're probably doing wrong is heavily underusing vampire lords. And Thant. Also, probably not splitting your army effectively enough. These are the most common mistakes with Necro nowadays.

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Maybe you can help me with a little problem I have, then.
When I play Necro, I always do the same tactic: Getting Vamp lords ASAP, and starting clearing stuff (since Vamp Lords are insanely powerful). My problem starts when I get out of the initial starting area.
I always have a secondary hero following me, to take on the raised skeletons, as well as, storing the rest of my troops (lichs, black knights, maybe bone dragons and seldom wights). That works against creep good enough (using the complete army against mechanical, elementals and undeads), but once I meet an enemy hero, the problem starts.

Due to the low visibility, there is a high chance that either of my heroes can be ambushed. Loosing my secondary hero, even without my army, is a pain, since I actually need him for my vampire tactic. In return, if the enemy ambushes me while I only have vamp lords... Well, often thats the end.

Another small problem is, that my secondary tends to lag behind, meaning, that I actually need to cripple my speed in order to switch back and forth. Any suggestion how I could do that better?

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Lth3 said:

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but maybe i'm doing something wrong in HotA - Necro should be played differently or smth.

Sav said:

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From what I can see on the streams, town balance is fairly good now and there is no reason to change it again.

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please show me a decent HotA Necropolis stream. i would like to learn, if what you're saying is true

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OrrinIsTheBest said:

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Recently i started playing against AI since im done with PvP and something weird drew my attention: if im not mistaken if you buy out a hero that has been used in the game before they start with 2000 movement points. Can anyone clarify the situation?

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bloodsucker said:

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foerno said:

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how about balancing the grail buildings a bit? tower and conflux (the latter already a strong town) are so OP compared to the others.

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If you do so, please rethink Cove's grail. I reported this before, if other players have Cove creatures (or neutral armies related to Cove) they get the same creature bonus as the player who built the grail. This is inconceivable but easily verifiable.

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